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To The Contrary with Charlie Sykes

Daniel Drezner: Baseball, Billionaires and the Breakdown of the GOP

To The Contrary with Charlie Sykes

Charlie Sykes

News Commentary, Politics, News

4.9719 Ratings

🗓️ 4 November 2025

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

Charlie Sykes is joined by political scientist Daniel Drezner for a wide-ranging conversation that begins with baseball’s most thrilling World Series in years and ends with America’s political curveballs. They unpack Trump’s Great Gatsby–style party amid a government shutdown, the pardoning of a crypto billionaire, and the GOP’s flirtation with extremist rhetoric. Along the way, they tackle corruption, creeping authoritarianism, and the vanishing line between populism and privilege in Trump’s second term.

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0:00.0

I'm Shirley Sites. Welcome to November 20205 and The Contrary Podcast. Look, we have a lot of things to talk about today, including keeping my scorecard up to date on who we're going

0:21.2

to war with this week. I mean, I had Venezuela down, but apparently I have to add Mexico and Nigeria.

0:28.2

We had that great Gatsby party on the night before all of the food stamp benefits were supposed

0:34.3

to expire, which seems like the metaphor showrunners are like working

0:39.4

overtime. Donald Trump goes on the new 60 Minutes show and says that he doesn't even know

0:47.1

the guy that he just pardoned the crypto billionaire. We'll talk about that. We have big elections

0:52.3

all around the country, including in New York City, Virginia, and New Jersey. Also, Maga Wright seems to be melting down on this whole question of, can we have any enemies on the right, including neo-Nazis, tough times for the Heritage Foundation, and we have some new polls out. So joining me on the podcast today, Daniel Dresner,

1:14.2

who actually made me happy with something you wrote yesterday. Oh, true. Which is very rare in 2025.

1:19.9

We have to get to the wars. We have to get to the foreign policy, the trade, all of that stuff.

1:24.2

But could we just take a few moments to talk about baseball? And the piece that you wrote, thank you, baseball.

1:30.9

The best World Series since 2016 was an epic novel.

1:36.2

You were deep in it, weren't you?

1:38.0

I mean, this was a hell of a world series.

1:41.0

Oh, yeah.

1:41.5

I mean, so first of all, full disclosure, I'm a Boston Red Sox fan. So ordinarily, I would like to see my team advance to the place. I assume you're a Brewer's fan, Charlie. Yes, absolutely, of course. Yeah. So you had your team had a bit of a brutal ending in terms of the Dodgers sort of dispatching them. And I think a lot of people thought that the Dodgers were going to be able to dispatch the Toronto Blue Jays with equal amounts of, with equally minimal effort. And the Dodgers are a team that is hard to root for at this point because they are the best team might can buy in a lot of ways. And I don't begrudge their ownership for doing that. I begrudge the rest of the owners for not, you know, trying to compete with them. But this was a, you know, I, this was a world series where first, you know,

2:24.8

the Blue Jays surprised the Dodgers, you know, they absolutely stomped them on game one. And then

2:29.1

the Dodgers won game two and won an 18 inning game three that I did not stay up to watch till the end of

2:36.7

but I think I lasted until the 12th inning and when the Dodgers won there I think everyone thought

2:40.8

well okay that the series is over it's going to be the Dodgers and then Blue Jays won the next two

2:45.8

games and suddenly the momentum shifted back and the last two games were going to be in Toronto

2:50.5

and I don't know if you, I assume you watched the games.

2:52.4

The Rogers Center's crowd was just, was really on their feet.

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