What do you do when you're being bullied by your Christian employer?

Do you take it and simply turn the other cheek?

Or do you confront it, hoping for repentance and justice?

Welcome to the Roy's Report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church.

I'm Julie Roy's. And joining me on this episode

are Emily Highland and Paul Cochlin. As you may remember, Emily is the whistleblower who filed

a complaint with the Illinois Department of Human Rights concerning a well-known Chicago area pastor,

Dane Ortland. Ortland is the author of the best-selling book, Gentle and Lowly. But according to

Emily, he's not very gentle or lowly. He's a bully and a misogynist. And she says, when she

complained about Ortland's behavior to the elders of Naperville Presbyterian Church, where

Ortland pastors, they fired her. But last December, the Department of Human Rights ruled

in Emily's favor. It found substantial evidence of retaliation by Dane and Naperville

Presbyterian Church in Emily's firing. And now that case is going to trial. Plus, there have been

some additional charges added to that case, so stay tuned, and you'll hear all about that.

But also joining me on this podcast is Paul Cochlin.

Paul is an expert on bullying and a repeat guest here on the Roy's report.

He also was a speaker at last year's Restore Conference, and I know from talking to Emily that she took pages of notes from Paul's talk, which was super eye-opening.

And it's out of that relationship and collaboration between Paul and Emily that started at Restore that this podcast was envisioned.

I know many of you have experienced bullying in a Christian workplace.

I get emails about this all the time.

It's bad enough to be bullied in any

workplace, but when it happens at a church or an organization that's supposed to be Christian,

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