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This week's episode has been sponsored by A Thing or Two, which is a podcast hosted by Claire

Mazer and Erica Strullo, who you might know is the co-founders of the website of a kind,

RIP, or the co-authors of the book Workwife, which I've had on my podcast.

They're all about discovery and enthusiasm.

This podcast has been described as

an unique mix of urgent discussions of non-urgent things and thoughtful discussions of

important and otherwise ignored things. And I'm very much on board with that take. Claire and

Erica also send out a weekly companion newsletter with a diehard following. You can sign up to

receive it at Claire and Erica.com. So thanks so much to Claire and Erica, and they're a fantastic podcast, a thing or two, which you should definitely check out. I'm thrilled to be here today with Dan Perez, who's the author of as Needed for Pain, a memoir of addiction. As the former editor-in-chief of Details magazine for 15 years, Dan won two ASME awards,

and prior to details, Dan spent nine years at W Magazine, including as the European editor for three years.

He currently lives in New York with his three cents.

So welcome, Dan. Thanks for coming on Moms and I have time to read books.

Thank you so much for having me.

I loved your book. I couldn't wait to read it when I saw it, as I told you, as needed for pain, a memoir of addiction. So thank you for sharing it with me and talking about it today. I'm so excited. Thanks. I'm excited, too. It's amazing that it's here and that it's done. It's been a really interesting process.

Tell listeners what it's about.

As Needed for Pain is about my struggle with a massive addiction to opiates, prescription

painkillers.

The major part of my addiction, which lasted for about seven years,

overlapped with my time as being the editor-in-chief of Details Magazine, which closed in 2015,

but was published by Conday Nast. So I had this sort of really great and exciting job in media that had me visible to the world and interacting with lots of people.

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