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Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

"Curious what it would be like to stab someone,” drama-student-killer "over-acted" with butcher knife

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

iHeartPodcasts and CrimeOnline

True Crime, News

4.28.1K Ratings

🗓️ 12 April 2019

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

A University of Hartford drama student who allegedly stabbed two classmates told police he was “curious what it would be like to stab someone.” He would later says it was his emotions getting the best of him while acting out a scene. And... Cold cases cracked. Nancy's expert panel is: Ashley Willcott, Atlanta juvenile judge & lawyer Dr. Carole Leiberman, Forensic psychiatrist Steven Lampley, former detective John Lemley, Crime Stories reporter Sheryl McCollum, Cold Case Research Institute director Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert, author of "Blood Beneath My Feet Dr. Bethany Marshall, Los Angeles psycho analyst Nicole DeBorde, Former Prosecutor/Criminal Defense lawyer Robyn Walensky, Crime Stories reporter, author of "Beautiful Life?: The CSI Behind the Casey Anthony Trial & My Observations"

Transcript

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0:40.6

Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

0:47.4

Pamela Cajonis grew up the second youngest of eight siblings,

0:50.9

and a big farm family outside still water. But the 25-year-old wanted to see more of the world.

0:56.2

And she thought by joining the Navy she would possibly be able to do this.

0:59.5

Cajonis made it through two months of boot camp in Florida. Then came August 5th,

1:03.6

a driver found her body in the lawn of an empty house, a half hour north of the training base in

1:08.4

Orlando. Her brothers and sisters spent the next 34 years in agony. And many times I would think,

1:14.0

you know, okay, if I say a prayer and I lay here still tonight, I'll be directed to what happened

1:18.8

to her and it just never comes. A beautiful young female Navy recruits. This

1:25.3

is murder. The Minnesota woman Pamela Cajonis just 25 years old. Beaten, strangle dead.

1:32.9

Just two days after she graduates from Orlando Naval Training Center, that was August. Her white

1:39.2

uniform was found strone just inches away from her dead body. But as the time ticked by, there was

1:48.4

no answer. The family distraught friends came under the microscope. Who killed Pamela Cajonis.

1:57.1

Joining me in all-star panel, first of all, new comrade Nicole DePorde, former prosecutor,

2:01.9

criminal defense attorney. Cheryl McCullum, director of the Col case research institute,

2:06.8

CSI expert, Joseph Scott Morgan, forensic expert professor at Jacksonville State University,

2:12.5

and author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Renowned, California Psycho, analyst Dr. Bethany Marshall.

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