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For The Love With Jen Hatmaker Podcast

Cultivating Belonging and Evolving Faith with Jeff Chu

For The Love With Jen Hatmaker Podcast

Jen Hatmaker

Relationships, Society & Culture

4.66.3K Ratings

🗓️ 18 April 2025

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Summary

Description: Jeff Chu, an award-winning journalist, author, and "sort-of-kind-of farmer," joins Jen on the For the Love podcast to discuss his book, Good Soil: The Education of an Accidental Farmhand. In the book, Jeff shares stories from his time at “The Farminary”, a twenty-one-acre working farm at Princeton’s Theological Seminary, where students explore life's biggest questions while cultivating the earth.  Jeff reflects on his own struggles with faith, identity, and the expectations placed upon him as a gay man raised in a conservative Christian environment. His journey reveals the challenges of cultivating, not just plants, but also a spiritual life that is authentic, evolving, and inclusive​.  In this conversation, Jeff, Jen and Amy discuss:  What Jeff learned at the “Farminary” about creating “good soil,” drawing lessons from the rhythms of growth, decay, and regeneration that define life on the land Finding moments of grace and healing. Challenging traditional interpretations of the biblical Parable of the Sower Exploring faith, not as something static, but as something that evolves. Thought-provoking Quotes: “God's love is that lavish and it's there for you. And it doesn't come with the conditions that you might have. It doesn't require you to do anything more than you've already done. It just requires you to be. God's love is big enough to hold that, and your mess, and your beauty, and your frailty, and anything else you might bring to God.” – Jeff Chu “I see folks trying to figure out how to create belonging, not just for themselves, but also for others, and being willing to ask those tough questions out loud, and being brave enough to say, I don't know, but I wonder. Being bold enough to point out not just the ugly things, but also to name the beautiful and hopeful things. Those are all things that give me hope.” – Jeff Chu #JeffChu #GoodSoil #ForTheLovePodcast #SpiritualJourney Resources Mentioned in This Episode: Community First Village / Mobile Loaves and Fishes - https://mlf.org/community-first/ Genesis Gardens - https://mlf.org/genesis-gardens/ 7: An Experimental Mutiny Against Excess by Jen Hatmaker - https://amzn.to/4kZZmjN Actually Believing God Loves You Changes Everything: Jeff Chu - https://jenhatmaker.com/podcasts/series-16/actually-believing-god-loves-you-changes-everything-jeff-chu/ Good Soil: The Education of an Accidental Farmhand by Jeff Chu - https://amzn.to/4kXozLJ Wholehearted Faith by Rachel Held Evans and Jeff Chu - https://amzn.to/4iZlOrA Does Jesus Really Love Me?: A Gay Christian's Pilgrimage in Search of God in America by Jeff Chu - https://amzn.to/4bZH91N March: Book One by John Lewis - https://amzn.to/4c6xmXI Travel and Leisure magazine editor-at-large - https://www.travelandleisure.com/author/jeff-chu Small Things Like These by Claire Keegan - https://amzn.to/446LUo5 Padraig O'Tuama, poet - https://www.padraigotuama.com/ Kitchen Hymns by Padraig O’Tuama - https://amzn.to/4ccPFdV Maggie Smith, poet - https://maggiesmithpoet.com/ In The Shelter: Finding a Home in the World by Padraig O’Tuama - https://amzn.to/4ccNNBL Jeff Chu’s Good Soil Book Tour - https://byjeffchu.com/tour Guest’s Links: Website - https://byjeffchu.com/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/byjeffchu Twitter - https://x.com/jeffchu Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/byjeffchu Substack - https://byjeffchu.com/contact#substack Connect with Jen! Jen’s Website - https://jenhatmaker.com/ Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/ Jen’s Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker Jen’s YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker The For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hey everybody, welcome to The For the Love Podcast.

0:10.0

Welcome. We are happy that you are here. You're going to be happy that you're here today.

0:14.0

This is one of those episodes that is going to, should you need it, calm your central nervous system.

0:25.1

It's just one of those that you'll walk away going, you know what, everything's going to be

0:30.6

okay. It's going to be okay. I'm going to be okay. We're going to be okay. This is, we have one of my favorite people

0:40.9

on the show today. And we're going to be talking, among other things, about his experience as,

0:51.0

what did he call it, a fake farmer? Fake farmer. A fake farmer. And gardening, particularly. So before we get to that,

0:58.6

we have some history on gardening. Me and you. We do. I don't know if, I mean,

1:04.7

people that have been with me a very long time, because it goes back to seven. We did this

1:08.9

for seven. So this was like from 2011.

1:12.2

I think that was the year that we did the gardens. Oh my gosh. Like tell the people, I mean,

1:18.0

at the same time, you and I did backyard gardens through a very specific program and it was in

1:26.7

the middle of seven.

1:28.5

It was really an amazing program.

1:30.5

I thought so.

1:31.7

I did.

1:32.1

If it would have been efficient and worked in the way that it had hoped,

1:37.4

then that it would have been even better.

1:39.3

But the premise of it, I loved.

1:43.4

Oh my gosh, what was the original Carporeo? Oh, oh, oh, my gosh, I forgot until you just said that. It had a Latin name. And then it changed to Genesis Gardens. Yeah. So there's a huge organization in town,

2:02.6

Mobile Loves and Fishes that we've both worked with.

2:06.9

You've written about them.

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