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Welcome to Cultivating the Lovely. I'm your host, McKenzie Kappa. You can find out more about the podcast at Cultivating the Lovely. I'm your host, Mackenzie Kappa.

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I would also love to connect with you on Instagram, where you can find me at McKenzie

Kappa.

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As you ladies probably know, a lot of the guests that I have on the show are people who, their publicists come to me and want to get them on the show to be promoting something and talking about something.

But I like to sprinkle in guests who I just genuinely want on the show as well.

People I've thought of at the beginning of the season who I think would be amazing guests to be talking to all of us about things we're really interested in, things I hear from you guys

that you're interested in.

And today's guest is one of those people it is jen giles kemper

from sacred ordinary days and you guys our interview was so good and so deep and so long that we are

actually turning this one interview into two episodes so you will get to to hear from Jen not only this week, but next

week as well. In these episodes, Jen and I talk about our own religious background and why, even

though we didn't grow up with liturgy, we're finding parts of it to be really useful to our faith.

Jen goes into the background and kind of the structure of the liturgical

year, how you can use it for your own spiritual walk with God. And then we also get into using it in

the Advent season because we all want to make Advent more meaningful without adding a lot of extra

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