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Elizabeth Bachman joins us today.

She was an assistant editor here at First Things and now is at Encounter Books.

She and two co-authors have a book on a most timely subject,

just out with the title Crypto Crackup, Sam Bankman-F-F-F-S-B-F's Weird Island Empire. That's our topic today.

Welcome, Ms. Bachman.

Thank you, Mark. It's good to be here.

All righty. Well, please let us know who your co-authors are. Let's give them credit.

But only 20 seconds each.

Okay. We got a few seconds on Ash Bennington and Arterosinski, my wonderful co-authors, both of whom are far more expert in the

field of crypto than I am. And they both work at a crypto media company called Real Vision.

And they were because this gets pretty technical, this world of crypto and finance.

Your role, as I understand it, was a lot of the background stuff about this little fellow

with the crazy hair.

That's right.

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