I'm Carmen Borka Curio, this episode's producer.

When we recorded this episode, abortion was banned in Louisiana.

Minutes before publishing, a judge temporarily blocked Louisiana's abortion ban for a second time.

It's great news, so long as it lasts.

In this episode, you'll hear Kate and Jamea refer to Louisiana's trigger laws.

Just to be clear, as of this recording, those restrictions are currently blocked.

Hi, listeners. We've been tackling this post-pro reality by zooming in on stories from abortion providers and activists all around the country. If you've appreciated this season and want to dive even deeper into the history and future of abortion access in this country,

go check out Katie Couric's special series, Abortion, the Body Politic.

It's a nuanced exploration of the forces that have politicized this deeply personal choice and the people

on the front lines of the fight for reproductive rights. Listen to abortion, the body politic,

wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey, y'all, this is Mary Catherine, and I am in Louisiana, and I'm going to take you on a little

walk through my backyard garden. A lot of homes in Louisiana have a rosemary plant, and rosemary

has a special acid that helps with antiviral properties that helps against herpes, viruses, HIV, influenza,

hepatitis. There's a lot of eggplants in this bed, and Brussels sprouts are continuing to come up

if the caterpillars don't get them first. And lastly, all of these papaya trees. And papaya eaten when they are green and unripe, and the more unripe, the better, can

interrupt pregnancy cycle and lead to uterine contractions and help induce an abortion.

I'm Kate Kelly.

And I'm Jemia Wilson.

And this is ordinary equality.

This is something central to a woman's life, to her dignity.

It's a decision that she must make for herself.

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