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state-to-state that have been popping up across our country.

We've got Rich Lowry and Camille Foster with the debate of debates on this. These are two great guys who went at it, you know, punch for punch and it was really illuminating.

I think we fleshed out all the arguments. I'll leave it to you to decide who got the better of the other man, but it was enjoyable.

It was feisty and it was smart and I loved it. And this is the big debate right now, right? Like many, many states have banned the teaching of in short form critical race theory,

but it's, you know, some of this nonsense of trying to teach kids that they're defined by the color of their skin or by their their sex, etc.

And states are finally trying to fight back against this. It's growing and growing. The teachers union has been open about the fact that they're on board and pushing it, and they try to lie about that, get into that.

So is it a good idea because it's kind of divided the conservative movement and the non-woke movement is what I should say.

So Rich Lowry is the editor of national review and also hosts, he's one of the hosts of the editors over on the national review.

It's their podcast, which I highly recommend. I love it. Really smart talk. And Camille Foster is one of the hosts of the fifth column podcast.

You guys know him. He's been on the show along with his brethren, co-host of that show. And they actually had Chris Rufo on for a debate on this very issue.

There's some backstory with Chris Rufo that we'll get to in one second. But, you know, Camille, he wrote an op-ed about this sort of opposing these bands. And he was joined in it by Thomas Chatterton Williams.

And some other authors in the New York Times that he's been supported in it by Camille is black. He was supported by some other black well-known names and faces like Glenn Lowry in his position.

So these guys are ones who've pushed back on, you know, wokeness and all this making everything about color, but they think these bands go too far. And they've got well thought out reasons for why.

So you'll hear the debate. Get to the guys in one second. First this.

Organizing this outline for this debate has been super fun and super complicated. This is one of those moments where I'm like, yeah, I love to read for a living. That's really what I do is read and learn for a living.

And I've been neck deep in all these articles. And what I've concluded before even start is that I think all three of us agree on 90% of what we're about to discuss.

It's really just what is the solution that we're arguing over, you know, what the problem, because I know I've talked about you guys before. I think we agree this is a problem.

What they're teaching our kids right now. And within the conservative movement or even just not even conservative, but just sort of anti woke America is debating what's the best way of putting an end to this nonsense or at least fighting back against this nonsense.

So let's just start by by defining the problem, okay, in quotes the problem critical race theory is a term.

Chris Ruvos been putting it out there is just sort of a catch all, but I do think it's important to note it's beyond just this one sort of theory about race, you know, the academics would say, look, this is just a postgraduate level legal theory.

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