Hello, everybody, and welcome to the Radical Cander podcast. Today, surprise, you're going to hear

an episode of the Just Work podcast, which I co-host with Wesley Faulkner. We love talking about

all the things that can go wrong at work and how to make them right. And today's

podcast is one of the ones we're most proud of. So we're dropping this into the feed. I hope you

enjoy it as much as we do. And if you do, check out other episodes at just worktogether.com slash podcast. Thanks. Hello, everybody, and welcome

to the Just Work podcast. I'm Kim Scott, author of Just Work, and Wesley's co-host. Hi, and I'm Wesley Falkner.

I am Kim's co-host, and I haven't written a thing, except for blog posts and

social media posts and I've tried out threads. And joining us today on the show is Eric Deggings.

So, Eric, could you please give us short intro?

Sure. My name is Eric Deggans, and I'm TV critic for National Public Radio. I'm also

media analyst at NPR. I'm also an adjunct professor at Duke

University. I did write a book over my shoulders called Race Bader about race and media. I also give

public presentations in addition to my work for NPR where I talk a lot about race and media and

social issues.

Thank you so much for being here.

It is a real honor.

I think before we jump into the usual me reading something, I would love if it's okay with you

all just to ask my own ignorance.

I don't know what the origin of the phrase race baiter is.

And I feel like this is something that I should know.

Well, it's interesting because I did try to, you know, when I was writing,

the book came out about 10 years ago, and when I was working on it,

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