| 0:00.0 | Welcome to the show. Yesterday I was joined by the great John Oberg for a live stream, and I'm now releasing it as a podcast. This episode is mostly aimed at my vegan followers. It's a tutorial on how to transition from more conventional animal rights activism into social media activism. |
| 0:22.8 | And John Oberg is the premier expert on social media animal advocacy. |
| 0:28.0 | So if you're vegan and you want to be a more effective communicator online, listen carefully. |
| 0:33.0 | If you aren't vegan, around 35 to 40 minutes in, the conversation pivots to COVID-19. |
| 0:39.6 | And we talk about the origins of coronavirus, wet markets, factory farms, the human consequences of meat eating, and China's recent ban on consuming dogs. |
| 0:47.9 | And I think that part of the conversation is potentially of general interest. |
| 0:52.0 | I thoroughly enjoyed the conversation from start to finish. |
| 0:55.9 | Here it is. I hope you enjoy. All right, John, so good to be with you, man. Good to be |
| 1:05.4 | with you, brother. This is great. This is actually, this is my first time talking to you |
| 1:09.4 | face to face. |
| 1:13.8 | We've done podcasts before, but we haven't actually interacted like this. |
| 1:18.1 | I'm getting very good at doing Zoom calls with work and with school and everything. |
| 1:24.1 | So I feel like you're the perfect guy to talk to at this moment, perfect guy for animal activists to hear from. |
| 1:28.1 | Because all of us as animal rights activists have kind of been thrust into this position where we're no longer able to do any of the things that we normally take part |
| 1:33.0 | it. Like it's impossible for me. I mean, it's just logistically insane for me to go out into the |
| 1:38.3 | streets and try to work with Pito or Anonymous for the Voiceless or any of these people, any of these |
| 1:43.1 | companies that go out there and interact with people. |
| 1:46.2 | But you're someone who's been doing this kind of social distancing version of activism and you're the best at it for such a long time. |
| 1:53.3 | I think that your social media activism is probably the most effective in the animal rights movement. |
| 2:00.3 | And so what I wanted to do is I wanted to bring you on and I wanted to talk to you |
| 2:02.9 | and ask you about how people can be more effective on social media for people who have |
| 2:08.4 | never used social media for animal activism, how they can improve. |
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