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COURTSIDE with Neal Katyal

Courtside Episode 6 with Heather Cox Richardson

COURTSIDE with Neal Katyal

Neal Katyal

Politics, News, Society & Culture

4.9614 Ratings

🗓️ 26 July 2023

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

Heather Cox Richardson is one of the most brilliant and accessible historians of our time. Her newsletter, Letters from an American, has over 1.1 million subscribers, and for good reason. And you’ll see it here — she is discussing perhaps the most important case the Supreme Court has ever decided, Dred Scott. It’s not an exaggeration to say that the Court’s decision sparked the Civil War.

There is so much difficult history to master to understand the case, and I’ve never heard it better explained than here. I mean, I’ve taught Dred Scott 20 times, but never with the incisive historical background she provides just in the first few minutes of the podcast. Many people gloss over the decision — it’s a bit complicated and it’s SO old. But it’s really important, and Prof. Richardson helps break it down into something absolutely understandable.

Dred Scott v. Sandford occupies a unique place in the annals of American history — that of the Supreme Court’s worst decision. Ever. Disgracing the very idea of democracy, the 1857 ruling stripped freed slaves of citizenship, invalidated the Missouri Compromise of 1820, and officially defined slaves as “property” under the Fifth Amendment. While the decision is primarily known for its racial animus, constitutional hogwash, and egregious holdings, it also had the adverse effect of splitting the court. Indeed, in a sign of just how divisive Dred Scott was, nine separate opinions were issued — one by each justice. We also cover the reactions to the decision, including the remarkable views of Frederick Douglass.

And in many ways, the Court’s deep schism reflected a broader reality; Dred Scott ripped apart an already-divided country, pushing the United States towards a civil war that seemed all the more imminent with each passing day. I can’t wait for you to listen to this.

Much of the episode is available to everyone, on any podcast platform. Paid subscribers have access to the rest of the episode, along with written materials about the case (I've summarized the decision and provided an abridged version of it, along with the full written decision). Paid subscribers also will receive a bonus podcast discussion with Professor Richardson. I would so appreciate you becoming a paid subscriber, which covers the considerable production costs, as I'm not running any ads on the podcast at all. All profits go to charity. Thank you for listening!



This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit nealkatyal.substack.com

Transcript

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0:00.0

And does Dred Scott create the Civil War?

0:07.0

I think Dred Scott is, if you will pardon the allusion to the House divided speech, the final nail.

0:13.5

Or at least not the final nail, one of the final nails, because Dred Scott's 57, by then people are really hot under the collar.

0:24.7

Hi, I'm Neil Katyal, and welcome to Courtside, a podcast about the Supreme Court and what it

0:30.6

means to you. I've argued 50 cases at the Supreme Court and served as the federal government's

0:36.5

top courtroom lawyer. But I want the

0:39.0

court to come alive for you. Each week, I discuss a single Supreme Court case with one guest,

0:45.6

someone who's not a lawyer and who can translate the case into plain English. And a word of

0:51.0

warning. I'm switching up the format as we're halfway through this podcast season.

0:55.9

Prior episodes began with some legal news of the week, and I'm going to break that out into some separate small, snack-sized podcast episodes for you.

1:04.9

I've been hearing feedback from many of you, and you point out the interviews about the Supreme Court cases are going to live on for

1:11.4

years, and the legal news will be a bit dated otherwise. So we're going to get right into it on

1:17.2

SCOTUS today, and I am thrilled to talk to you about Dred Scott with the unparalleled

1:22.3

Professor Heather Cox Richardson. A reminder that all my episodes are posted over at neilkatial.substack.com, along with a bunch of bonus stuff.

1:32.9

You can also support the show there or sign up for free so that each episode of Quartzide lands right in your email.

1:39.9

That's neilcateal.substack.com. On my substack each week, you'll get access as a subscriber

1:47.0

to all sorts of information about the case. I've summarized the case in a three-pager,

1:52.9

abridge the actual text of the decision, and provided the full decision. All of that is available

1:58.8

to you as a paid subscriber. I'm donating all my

2:01.9

profits to charity, but production of this thing costs quite a bit, and I'm not running any ads

2:07.6

at all on this podcast. We are entirely listener supported, so please do sign up at neilketyal.substack.com.

2:18.9

My guest this week is the brilliant historian Heather Cox Richardson.

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