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COURTSIDE with Neal Katyal

Courtside Episode 3 with Katie Couric

COURTSIDE with Neal Katyal

Neal Katyal

Politics, News, Society & Culture

4.9614 Ratings

🗓️ 5 July 2023

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

This week, we get into whether the human genome can be patented. A lot of people, when they think about the Supreme Court, think about big constitutional issues, abortion, gay marriage, death penalty, guns, etc. All of that is of course super important, but the Court has an outsized influence on so many other areas of our lives.

The Myriad case is a perfect example. The case might actually influence your life more than just about any other. It concerns whether the human genome can be patentable. That is, can a company assure assert that is, can a company assert ownership over a gene sequence that exists in your body? And the stakes are huge. The case Myriad Genetics’s facts concerned patenting BRCA1 and BRCA2, which are two genes that, if you have them, mean you have a very high risk of getting an aggressive form of breast cancer. But the case reaches far beyond those two genes to reach all gene patents. The Reagan Administration onward issued gene patents, and roughly 20,000 had been issued until the US Supreme Court got involved.

We’ll break it down with Katie Couric, someone who is crazy talented at breaking down complex ideas. She’s also got her own personal connection to these issues, and we’ll get into that as well.

But before getting into all of that, I’m going to cover this week’s legal news, and focus in particular on two big Supreme Court cases that were recently decided, Moore v. Harper and the affirmative action cases. Moore v Harper was my big win, and I’m going to take you behind the scenes. The Court invalidating the Republican party’s “independent state legislature theory,” which posited that state legislatures could act unconstrained from their own constitutions and courts in setting rules for federal elections. The Supreme Court, in a 6-3 opinion by the Chief Justice, rejected this argument, a win that former appeals judge Michael Luttig said was the most important case for democracy in the nearly 250 years of the Court’s existence

But, as always, you come for the deep dive on a Supreme Court case, and Katie does not disappoint with a fascinating discussion about Myriad Genetics. We will learn all about the Court’s unanimous ruling, written by Justice Clarence Thomas. And you'll learn a ton about Katie Couric, and her interview secrets.

My substack on Courtside has all sorts of additional materials about the case, including a short 3 pager about it, a longer 20 page abridged version, and the full version of the judicial opinion, for paid subscribers.

Courtside has no ads and is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber, joining at nealkatyal.substack.com. There are no ads on Courtside, everything is listener supported and all profits go to charity.



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Transcript

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What was the argument to give Myriad a patent for this technology?

0:06.0

Because obviously it's life-saving.

0:10.0

But as you mentioned earlier, Neil, if they had a patent,

0:13.0

they could continue charging $3,000 for the test,

0:16.0

where it really, I guess it went down to about $100.

0:30.5

Hi, I'm Neil Katyal and welcome to Courtside, a podcast about the Supreme Court and what it means to you.

0:36.7

I've argued 50 cases at the United States Supreme Court and I've served as the federal government's top lawyer,

0:38.0

but I want the court to come alive for you. Each week I'm going to discuss a single Supreme Court case with one

0:43.4

guest, someone who's not a lawyer and who can translate the case into plain English. So instead

0:48.9

of talking about the law with some fusty lawyer named something like Oliver Wendell Holmes,

0:53.7

we're going to do it with people

0:54.6

like John Malaney and John Legend. The Supreme Court is increasingly intruding into every aspect

1:00.4

of our lives, and the goal here is to unpack a bit of that this summer. And we're going to run through

1:06.0

the summer because in September, the court comes back into session, and I've got to go back to my day job.

1:11.4

But if this podcast works out, we'll do it again next summer.

1:14.7

By the way, all of our episodes are posted over at neilkatial.substack.com.

1:20.6

That's n-e-al.k-a-t-t-y-a-l.

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Dot substack.com, along with a bunch of bonus stuff, including written pieces and discussion

1:29.5

threats. You can support the show there or sign up for free, so each episode of court

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side would land right in your email. That's neilkatell.substack.com. Each week, you'll get access

1:40.7

as a subscriber to all sorts of information about the case. I've summarized the case

1:45.7

in a three-page document and a bridged 20-pager of the decision, along with the actual full text of the

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