I'm really delighted again to be joined by the brilliant Gideon Levy who has been one of the most important voices throughout this horror

More clarity as I always talk about is essential when we're talking about this and getting always those contributions

more clarity in spades. Gideon how you doing? Thank you all and thank you for having me

again always pleasure. Always a huge pleasure So much has happened since we last spoke.

I'm just quite interested in terms of firstly just in terms of the dynamics

within Israeli society as regards a war which has gone on now since if we call it a war. It's probably not really an accurate description, but since, well, we're getting on for nine months.

And I'm just interested because Israel's official war aims haven't been met at all.

Hamas has not been destroyed. The hostages have overwhelmingly not been returned by military force.

More have been,

far more have likely been killed

just by air in bombing than have been rescued.

And obviously the big exchanges happen

through a ceasefire deal and a prison exchange.

I'm just trying to adjust to how much that's cut through in Israeli society,

that general sense of what was promised at the beginning,

and now we're nine months in that those official war aims have

failed pretty badly I would say on their own terms.

The Israeli mindset is still very limited and very limited to certain points of view and all the rest don't interest most of Israelis.

Namely, they see this war as a failure, no doubt about it.

But it is a failure only because it did not achieve the Israeli goals

and above all Israel failed in releasing the hostages but that's this war is not only about the hostages, but it's

quite amazing how nine months of killing and destruction in Gaza didn't change anything in Israel's mindset

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