Hello and welcome to this week's New Statesman interview. This week I'm joined by Owen Kingston

and Tom Black, the director and writer of Crisis What Crisis, an immersive theatre experience

by the Parabolic which allows you to try and save the 1974 to 1979 Labour Government's

bacon. So I'm joined by the writer and director of Crisis What Crisis, an interactive

theatre experience about the 1974 to 1979 Labour Government in which you, the audience,

are given the task of keeping the rickety wheel that will set Labour Government going.

So something I'm sure loads of tennis players will be very interested in. I'm hoping

to go later on in the run, but I got actually that kind of weird midding where you're not

hoping, but where a friend phoned you and says, oh, I've tested positive. I'm waiting

for, you know, waiting to find out whether or not I'm just like, any other way, I realise

I find that more annoying. Why do I have to go through this process of finding out for

myself whether or not I have this? We had a cancel show off the back of

exactly that back in June before we started on this run. It's, yeah, it's really annoying.

Limbo space to be in. So I'm very controlling. And one of the things I've always been very

impressed by with any form of theatre, you know, I remember Simon Stevens once talking

about, you know, you can't legislate for what the audience will laugh at and sometimes

they'll laugh at something and you will go, okay, well, you people don't get me at all.

Obviously, this is something in which the audience actually gets to be in control. So what

is that like? Where's a director who I'm afraid I always imagine, because there's been

quite controlling politics, like many other controlling people I like to imagine it's

a widespread problem. It's so much fun when you get into it, but to start with it is

absolutely terrifying. And when we first started doing this a few years ago, we did this

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