Hello and welcome to The Rundown, a podcast from Politics Home.

I'm your host, Alan Tolhurst, and the Commons might be in recess, but politics continues a pace,

as the fallout from Laspic's by-election in Uxbridge sends ripples out across environmental policy,

with the government seeing the backlash against the Ulaz expansion in London as a sign there are votes to be won

by rethinking green pledges and ending the effective cross-party consensus on net zero.

We'll be to discuss these issues is Daisy Powell Chandler, who worked for David Cameron on multiple

general election campaigns and is now head of energy environment at consultancy public first,

along with Cameron Smith, head of communications at the Conservative Environment Network,

as well as my colleague here at Polholm, political reporter, Caitlin Doherty.

So Cameron, I'm going to start with you. I think certainly since, well, certainly since Theresa May signed the Net Zero pledge into law, there's been this kind of broad consensus about climate,

but it feels the sort of political fault lines over green policies have reopened recently and kind of

pushing this issue back at the agenda ahead of a likely general election next year. I just wondered

what you kind of made of the way that the discussion around this stuff has happened over the past

few weeks. I think, well, a week ago, of course, we had the Uxbridge by-election,

where the Conservatives narrowly held on to Boris Johnson's old seats.

Both major parties put that down to the Mayor of London's plans to expand the ultra-low emission zone

across out of London, which will see drivers of older petrol and diesel cars pay £12.50

if they don't meet certain pollution standards.

The wrong conclusion is being drawn from that race, where environmental action is popular,

where it is fair and affordable.

Clearly voters do not believe that ULA's expansion to Outer London is fair or affordable. Clearly, voters do not believe that Ula's expansion town to London

is fair or affordable, but some and similar voices to what we've heard before, loud, but in a

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