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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots, the Spectator's Daily Politics podcast.

I'm Cindy Yu and I'm joined by Katie Bors and James Kirkup.

James, are you the chair of the Social Mobility Foundation? I am the director of the Social Market Foundation.

Oh, sorry, of course. Don't worry. We're always very happy to be confused with the other SMF because they do good work too.

No, you know, director of the Social Market Foundation occasionally write you write stuff for the spectator and used to be, you know, used to be, well, I was going to say used to be a proper

journalist. I'm not sure if it was. Was a journalist once in a time. Great. Well, you've done your

intro better than I have done. So, James, welcome to the podcast. Katie, to start with, maybe let's just talk about the Green Sill scandal, which has now erupted even more, maybe just update listeners

on what's been going on there and the Labour intervention. Yes, so new life, I think you could

say, into the Green Sills saga, which has been rumbling on for a few weeks now, with various

revelations, largely coming from the Financial Times and the

Sunday times in terms of David Cameron's attempts to lobby on behalf of this company.

Now, what's happened yesterday is the Treasury released two text messages sent by Rishi Sunak to

David Cameron. And we already knew reports of a conversation between the pair that was reported, you know, some

weeks ago. But now we have the detail. And I think it was reported that Rishi Suna had sent multiple

messages. It appears there are two messages and also a phone call. And what the text show is that

Rishi Sino told David Cameron his request for access access to government backgrounds was being examined.

Now, I think initially he said the suggestion was what they were looking for was not something

they would be able to do.

But I think the phrase, which is, I think Labour are latching onto today, was the idea that

Rishi said he would push officials to look into this.

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