Hi, I'm Anouche and I'm Stephen.

Alva's on holiday.

On today's New Statesman podcast, we discuss whether Brexit could have been stopped

and you ask us.

Is it sustainable for the Conservatives to keep refusing another Scottish independence

referendum?

So we thought in a choir to August week it would be a good time to discuss a topic we know

is close to the hearts of a lot of our listeners and it's something you've been thinking about

Stephen after your interview with David Liddington, the former Europe minister and Theresa May's

de facto deputy, could Brexit have been stopped?

Now in your interview, he laid out a few scenarios in which he thought that might have been possible

and he was talking about the time before the referendum.

Obviously, whenever you interview someone, well, hopefully whenever you interview someone

they say more interesting things and you can fit in the piece or things in the kind

of sort of a side.

Sometimes of course the reverse happens and the word count and you have to put an

old very good interview and kind of stretches out like this endless treadmill of despair.

But in the case of David Liddington, he said a lot of really interesting things.

Throughout the interview, we kind of referred, you know, talking about variety of things.

He very much was always a thing and once it happened, it couldn't unhappened.

He was not a, you know, he was, someone who was very much like, look, you have to come

to terms with the fact that it can't, you know, it has to be implemented.

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