Coronavirus Special: Dr John Ioannidis: "Minimal evidence, monumental decisions"

The Times Tech Podcast

Will Morley

Business, Unknown, Technology

4.9 • 654 Ratings

🗓️ 20 March 2020

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

The Sunday Times’ tech correspondent Danny Fortson brings on Dr John Ioannadis to talk about why the coronavirus response could be an “evidence fiasco" (0:00), the China model (3:20), the importance of testing (5:00), the case of the Diamond Princess (6:35), and of Italy (9:45), Imperial College's estimates (13:25), the problem with models (16:45), a lack of historical precedent (18:20), the monumental failure of not having tests (21:35), scaling up testing (24:25), and herd immunity (27:25). PLUS, Claes Gustafsson, co founder of ATUM Bio, to talk about the company’s work making copies of coronavirus (33:00), how this compares to other outbreaks (34:25), the rush for a cure (38:15), and being partially shut down by the government (41:00).

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0:00.0	In many cases in medicine, we make decisions based on limited data.
0:04.0	You know, waiting for perfection of information is not going to happen.
0:07.4	But this is not just treating one patient.
0:10.2	This is about treating the entire planet.
0:12.2	Yo, technology.
0:14.9	What is it all about?
0:26.3	Hello and welcome to Danny in the Valley.
0:28.5	My goodness.
0:30.6	Well, a lot has happened since last week.
0:35.3	I think I recorded that podcast that ran last week with Stephen Levy.
0:39.2	I think that ran, I think we recorded that maybe 10 days ago.
0:41.5	The world is completely unrecognizable.
0:49.1	So it feels a little weird to do a podcast about anything other than coronavirus because it all feels a little bit secondary or kind of insignificant at the moment. So we're going to do a couple
0:56.5	different things kind of going forward. One, you'll see from this week's guest, it's not perhaps
1:02.5	our typical guest, but I think you will find it super interesting. We'll get to that in a second.
1:06.4	I'm also going to be doing probably more pods, kind of peppering them in more, talking to
1:11.7	lots and lots of people.
1:13.4	A lot of conversations I think you guys should hear.
1:15.7	I think you'd find them useful and informative and thought-provoking and hopefully a little
1:20.8	bit helpful.
1:22.3	So things are going to be a little bit different over these next couple weeks.
1:25.3	We'll still try to sprinkle in a little bit of everything.
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