Good afternoon Michael Miles here. Let that be your welcome for the next hour. We have with us our returning guest Corey

Danielis Corey's new title is National Director of Research at the American Federation for children. Corey is the best person on the beat when it comes to helping save kids from government schools. I'm going to put on my left wing hat and point out that government programs end up always hate hurting the poor people the most because the poor people the most vulnerable that often ends up being co-opted so private charities won't work in that space because they think the government is taking care of it and it really ends up having

really disproportionately negative consequence and easy example this is inflation you know if someone's wealthy and that dollars worth 10% less they lose 10% their income they don't really care when you're poor 10% less having money in your bank or in your pocket that really does make a substantive difference and government schools which are ostensibly about helping people get the skills that they need to get out of poverty make a career from themselves all these other things that would enable people to have

a real deal certainly a place on the playing field but that's not what is happening in real life one of the other things that's kind of a big intro but one of the things I'm so excited to have you on here Corey is it's very frustrating to me how people have given up hope on this country and on the west in many cases and the point I'm making is if you are looking at the corporate media as a resource to give you news they're only going to give you news that will demotivate you and serve their agenda and doesn't have to be

something nefarious if I'm a corporate reporter and I'm viewing government schools as a good thing well there if there's good news about government schools that's going to be indicating that my view is correct whereas if there's data that contradicts that I'm going to be kind of dismissive it it's not going to register this is a one off it's confirmation bias we all have it but you have been great on Twitter by pointing out all the great news that has been happening with regards to kids on a state bite

state level and for me this is my number one priority probably in terms of the future of this country is giving kids who maybe didn't weren't dealt a good hand when they were born giving an opportunity to make something

themselves like I had that opportunity we came here when I was one and a half to we had no money my mom talked about how you know

beds and her story grew up you'd go to one fruit stand then you'd walk all the way in the block see how much the grapes were there

and if they were five cents more expensive you'd walk all the way back these the kind of choice you have to make when you're destitute but I got a scholarship to Yashiva

and I'm grateful every day that I had that opportunity because if I'd gone to public school especially a little kid fresh off the boat not speaking English so well little at small

it wouldn't have ended up well for me and had severe psychological consequences so that's kind of a big intro but I want to hear from you I'll let you have the floor there's a lot to discuss

about how things are moving forward and state by state basis so let's drop those white pills please sir

yeah totally and I like that intro it's absolutely right that the government schools do not lead to equality as as they're portrayed to do

and in a lot of ways they exacerbate inequities in society and if you just look at how we see who gets to go to particular schools

it's just based on residents in the current system in in the U.S. and so the advantage families essentially already have school choice

because they can buy their their way into the best public schools by buying expensive houses in the best neighborhoods

but to get to your question the way that I would put this is that COVID-19 didn't break the public school system it was already broken

and in a lot of ways this essentially just shined a spotlight on the main problem with the k-12 public education in the U.S. right now

which is a long existing massive of power imbalance between the public school monopoly and individual families

it's one thing for a government run institution to continue getting your children's education dollars

year after year despite providing them with an adequate not providing them with an adequate education

it's another conversation altogether for those same buildings to get your children's education dollars

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