Hello, and welcome to the Mathiaship Archipelago podcast. My name is Mathias. I'm a psychotherapist from Nashville, Tennessee, and this is a podcast about mental health and moving towards what's meaningful despite hardship.

Welcome, welcome. I'm so excited to get this interview to you. I've been waiting to be able to share this interview for the launch of season two. I'm leading with this interview because I think it's so incredibly impactful.

And in part, I wanted to lead with it for selfish reasons. I just want to be able to refer back to this conversation and point people to it. I think the question of how do I persuade someone to change? How do I?

Okay, someone's going in a really terrible direction. Someone's making a terrible decision that's going to ruin their lives. I need to convince them to go the other way. What do I do? And to be honest, I have like, I don't know, an hour's worth of thoughts on that question.

And it's not simple to try to like, I don't know, narrow that down and like an Instagram message or in just like a passing conversation with someone. And so I want to be able to have like, hey, go listen to this interview with the master himself, Casey Jackson.

And we'll explore that topic thoroughly. And I think that if you really listen all the way through, you're going to come away with some powerful insights into persuasion and how to help someone in their process of change.

I think the answer isn't what a lot of people are going to expect in a great way. We're going to really explore the bounds of like, okay, how much power do we really have over someone's choice?

And if we really do want to partner in someone's process of change, what's the best way to go about that? That's kind of what we tackle together. And Casey Jackson, he's a really great guy.

He's just like, I took his training actually when I was in my master's program and it was a paradigm shift for me. It really, you know, I consider it as being like one of the, like the foundational, like, aha moments that got me excited about being a clinician.

I was in my master's program, I'm taking this course and I left that like what two, three day workshop or something with almost a completely different perspective on how to come alongside people in the process of change.

I'm hoping that that paradigm shift will take place for some of you too. He's incredibly credentialed. He's a motivational interviewing trainer. He's the director, the executive director for the Institute of Individual and Organizational Change.

He's the lead author and I think originator, he created the motivational interviewing competency assessment, which is, you know, like for coding and it's a coaching tool. It's one of the leading assessment tools used for training people and MI, motivational interviewing.

So he's got all the credentials and all. And so it's cool about that too, because I think he's done over like 3,000 workshops by now. He's really gotten to flesh these ideas out in a lot of different contexts. So he's trained police officers, social workers, teachers, he's worked with parents and kids, he's worked with all sorts of people. So there's a pretty big dynamic range of how these ideas can be applied.

And you'll notice in this interview that I kind of question him on a lot of different circumstances. I'm like, what about this or what about this situation or what if this happened?

And he's just quick with the reflex and he knows exactly how to answer it. All right, I won't puff him up too much more. I'll let you just listen to him. But Casey Jackson, everybody, I'm so excited for you to hear this.

Before we dive into the podcast, I wanted to let you know a few sponsors who have partnered with the podcast brought on some sponsors for season two. Yep, it was a hard decision. I wasn't sure whether to do ads for a long time.

And so if you listen one episode backwards into the life update episode, I kind of actually go into my whole thought process around, do I do ads? Do I not? And I landed on the decision to have a few sponsors with this podcast because I really wanted to keep it sustainable.

I wanted to pay for the team that's helping me run this whole thing and making sure it stays consistent and I really wanted to keep it accessible. I didn't want to put up a pay wall and force people to pay to listen to it. So this was kind of a solution for that.

Yeah, so if you want an ad free experience, you can also sign up for my Patreon. It's five bucks a month and you'll get a feed that you can just get the RSS feed and plug it directly into your podcast listeners, whether you use like Apple podcasts or whatever.

You can have it loaded directly so you can have an ad free experience. What's cool about that actually too is you'll get access to my guided meditations and that's only available to the Patreon crew.

And the guided meditations, they're these experiential guided imagery exercises that are meant to walk you through different topics like identity, confidence, trauma work, like, you know, really kind of pulling us into and a more imaginative experiential space and processing some of these ideas, not just kind of these very intellectual lecture type things that are so common to the podcast.

So it's kind of a whole different, I don't know, domain of the podcast that's only available for the Patreon crew. So if that sounds interesting, if you want some guided meditations, in addition to an ad free experience, you can sign up in the link in the show notes for the Patreon.

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