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Music description. Thanks and happy listening. Hello, this is Let's talk about myths, baby, and I am your host. Live back with a new conversation episode.

And I'm really excited about this one. It is with returning guest, Jillian Glass.

Jillian was on the show like years ago now, which is so weird because I swear it was like not years ago, to talk about epiphanies. And so we talked about them in mostly Greek mythology, but it was just this idea of an epiphany, which is like a god just like showing up. And I just

remember it was all about the smell because there was a smell. Anyway, delightful past episode

if you want to go relisten but

this time jillian and i were chatting and she mentioned she's been working on a new project

and obviously i was so down uh and so her research this time is all about jewish travel narratives

in the ancient world.

And, okay, I mean, you'll hear me say this, like a handful of times in the episode,

but like, I try to stay very far away from religious texts that are still in use today.

You know, because I don't like interacting with people who could be mad at me for treating

their religious texts like the text that they are, which is ancient texts like anything

else.

And I don't, that doesn't discount the religion.

It's just that is how ancient texts work. That's a fact.

And so I just try to kind of often stay away from that. But obviously, Jillian, it is coming at it from this like ancient history perspective.

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