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Greetings to your listeners, this is Jonah Goldberg, host of the Remnant podcast, brought to you by the Dispatch and Dispatch Media.

Our guest today is Cass Sunstein.

He's got a new and important book out called On Liberalism in Defense of Freedom.

I mentioned this later on in the episode

that I should have started with some definitional clarity, so I'm going to do it here.

When a lot of people hear the word liberal, they immediately think of it in a partisan way,

right? Liberal Democrats, those darn liberals, liberals are at it again, that kind of thing.

That's not primarily how we're talking about it. And as you'll hear,

we clarify it about 20 minutes in. We're talking about the liberalism of the 19th century, the 20th,

you know, the idea of liberalism as distinct from monarchy, as distinct from totalitarianism,

as distinct from statism, the liberalism of liberal arts,

and which I think is something that is kind of lost by both the left and the right these days,

is that the best versions of both the left and the right are in fact liberal because this is a

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