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The Lawfare Podcast

Conditioning Arms to Israel with Sarah Harrison

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🗓️ 11 April 2024

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

Last week, 40 Democratic members of the House of Representatives wrote a letter to President Biden expressing concern and outrage over an Israeli airstrike that killed seven aid workers from the World Central Kitchen. The lawmakers urged the president to reconsider his recent authorization of an arms transfer package to Israel and withhold any future offensive arms transfers if the strike was found to have violated U.S. or international law. They also urged Biden to withhold arms transfers if the humanitarian situation in Gaza continues to deteriorate. 

Lawfare Managing Editor Tyler McBrien sat down with Sarah Harrison, a Senior Analyst with the International Crisis Group’s U.S. program and former Associate General Counsel at the Defense Department’s Office of General Counsel, International Affairs. They talked about the laws and policies that govern U.S. security assistance, what recent reporting may or may not tell us about Israel’s law of war compliance, and the difficulty of some of these assessments. They also discussed what President Biden risks by not applying conditions on military aid abroad.

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It took this particular strike on six foreign nationals and one Palestinian to hear any kind of collective outrage from the world and especially the US government.

0:46.0

But I think that should make a skeptical that if operations continue to kill Palestinians,

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whether that's going to actually, you know,

0:58.8

bring about any change, actually bring about any change

1:02.1

from policy. And what we talk about change in policy

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for the Biden administration it's really about conditioning assistance right

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conditioning military assistance which which again, the president and his spokespersons continue to say is not their policy.

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I'm Tyler McBryan, managing editor of Law Fair, and this is the Law Fair Podcast, April 11, 2024.

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Last week, 40 Democratic members of the House of Representatives were to letter to President Biden, expressing concern and

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outrage over an Israeli air strike that killed seven aid workers from the World Central

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Kitchen.

1:38.8

The lawmakers urge the President to reconsider his recent authorization of an arms transfer package to Israel

1:44.0

and withhold any future offensive arms transfers if the strike was found to have

1:48.0

violated US or international law.

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They also urge Biden to withhold arms transfers if the humanitarian situation in Gaza continues to deteriorate.

1:56.0

I sat down with Sarah Harrison, a senior analyst with the International Crisis Group's U.S. program,

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and former Associate General Counsel

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at the Defense Department's Office of General Counsel International Affairs.

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