Yo, y'all thought warriors.

What is up?

Higher learning is on.

Is I Van Latey Jr.?

It's me, Rachel and Lindsay.

We have a guest with us today.

It is the entire podcast.

Kev on stage joins us today.

I bump my lip on the mic. It's a great day. Finally. Thank you for having me. I've been wanting to do this for a long time. And we were just saying before you got on, I can't believe you haven't been on the show. I know. We're fans. I never want to ask. I never want to. Yeah, it's tough.

How do you handle no?

Ooh.

It really depends.

No often fuels me.

I can be sort of histrionic like Jordan.

I can build chips to like,

a nigga, you're going to tell me no?

You know what I'm saying? I'm going to show you. Other times it's just be like, hey, nigga, you really said no. And then other times it's like, worst they can say is no. Like when I was promoting churchy and I was like, man, I really gotta get out there. Like I was adopting the like, it's already no if you don't ask. So if you ask and it still know, you didn't materially change anything. But if you ask and it's yes, you've actually gained something. So that's my latest one is like, if you don't ask, it's already no anyway. So at least ask. Worse you can do is it's already known. And people don't. I found people, like I'm on my answer to a podcast, people are rarely like, no, I don't know who you are.

And I would not like you on my podcast. That don't happen. But I think just fear of rejection, abandon me from inner child just, it sticks with you for a long time. No matter how much your life has changed, you really kind of got to retrain your mind because who I am, it will be yes, more likely. Right. But that fear of no be like, I don't want to be embarrassed. I think in so many ways we're still the little kids we were. In elementary school, you don't want to be embarrassed. You don't want to be rejected from the cool kids. You hope people are like nice and want to do you, not want to do you, but I want to have you, but

that small hit of knowing rejection be enough to be like, no, I'm good.

I don't want to.

I like this conversation because I feel like someone looks at you, right?

And they see everything that you're doing, right?

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