Sometimes I put an address into my GPS just to make sure it's where I believe it is.

And then when that's confirmed, it gives me directions and I'm like, I know a much quicker way to get there.

Why would I take this way the GPS is sending me?

Like, you know?

And so I feel like the things we want in life

are that way too.

It gets better because it has to get better. We're all made of human.

Welcome to the Made of Human podcast. I am Sophie Hagen. This is a podcast in which I speak to people about life stuff. A very original podcast format. Thank you very much. I am chatting to sign up Johnson in

this episode. A woman I was very amazed by when I met her. I did this in

Melbourne a month or so ago. She's American and we were both in

Melbourne. So that's the story of how we met. I'm really happy to put this out. It, it, I, listen, I love talking to

religious people. I'm good, this can, and I think if you've listened to this podcast before you know that that's true and you can I'm sure you can tell by the way I speak to people who are religious that

They're my favorite people and yeah, I don't know that might be controversial but

guess what I'm not riggove a's I'm not gonna go on some kind of rampage

against religion because I think there are problems that have not to do with religion

that makes people be assholes, something like, I think you should only be allowed to truly criticize the concept of religion if you are willing to first truly criticize the problem of toxic masculinity and sexism and racism.

Once you can tell me all the problems with that, then you're allowed to say and then maybe religion has a

thing to do with something. But before you can do that, now I'm not

listening mate, not listening. So I hope you'll enjoy my chat with sign up I absolutely adored her. Before I let you listen I just want to quickly say I'm doing live episodes of this

podcast at the Soho Theater in London in July I am talking to Megan Crab, Body Party Panda, Susan Kalman on the Tuesday the 3rd of July.

Oh, shit. Oh sorry, this is so rude, but my best friend just sent me a picture of his baby, he just had a baby.

Oh, sorry, well, I love to you're kind of part of my, um, part of my life in that way.

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