When I was a kid and I would go to comedy and I you know it was constantly making fun of you know

Brown people whether it's Indians or whatever especially post 9-11 it didn't even matter right

It was you I had you people were, detained, beaten up in the street for their, you know, perceived religion for their color for their religion, you know, Muslims and Sikhs took so much and people are just making jokes and I'm like okay

fine you have the right to do that where is the response and I wanted to be the

response.

It gets better because it has to get better.

We're all made of human.

Hello, this is Sophie Hagen. I'm a stand-up comedian and this is my podcast made of human where I chat to nice people about life and in theory I try to find out how to do life but turns out no

one really knows so it ends up just being me speaking to people feeling less

alone with them and this week we will speak to Harry Kondebulu and he is

fabulous and amazing and I will let you listen to our chat in just a bit. It's a it's a it's a fun chat. I'm nervous about this episode

because I think it was more for me than for you. I think I got more out of it than I remember being at a

crossroads having to choose between asking the questions that would mostly benefit you and then the questions that would most benefit me.

And I think I chose me. He said that he was just the right person to talk to for me at the right time because and I guess you'll

sense this during the chat but I'm I think I've just been calling myself an activist for a while because it's hard to not sort of be an activist if you're a fat person who likes their body and talks about that. That feels like an activist thing to do. But also suddenly

there was a gap between activism and stand-up and I am a comedian. I'm a stand-up comedian and that is my entire life and that is what I love I love stand up so much

So I think I've in the past I don't know year or so it's been kind of all muddled up together and I didn't really know how I haven't I've been thinking about how to deal with that so

speaking to Harry who is sort of in the same position.

It just, I just needed to hear him talk about this.

So anyways, I hope you can still get something out of this because

Harry is just brilliant and always so nice and go and find his new documentary about

a poo. So anyways do that before I let you listen to the actual conversation if you're still listening.

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