There's a lot of guys saying it's time to listen to women and I just find that that so hilarious

that there's so many men saying it's time on public forums going it's important that you hear me as a man

say that it's time to listen listener women instead of just listening?

It gets better because it has to get better

we're all made of human.

Hello, you are listening to the Made of Human

podcast. I am Sophie Hagen. I'm your host. I'm from Denmark that should explain the accent I am talking at you from

Melbourne where I currently am recording a bunch of episodes with a bunch of really

lovely people and hey I'm getting into this

habit of doing an interview or a chat we don't call it an interview we call it a

chat and I'm the worst person to remember that and then I have like an

hour before the next guest so I'm now recording the intro straight after the

guest leaves and that's such a good idea because I can remember what actually

happened in it. I mean by the time you listen to this it'll be maybe a month or two after

we've actually had the conversation but Celia is oh such a lovely person and I can feel

that I'm reluctant to elaborate on how lovely she is because you always tease me with how optimistic I am about the guests and how much I gush over them.

And maybe I should try and be less fixated on how great my guests are.

But you will love Celia.

She's one of the guests that you suggested.

I mean, I was gonna get her anyways,

because I love her and,

oh, see I'm gushing again.

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