Hey, everyone, it's Andrew Claven with this week's interview with the great Robert Spencer.

He has written a new book called anti-Semitism,

History and Myth. And I think it's obviously a very important subject for the moment. When I was a

young man, one of my first, the first novel I actually ever published under my own name,

had a line in it about the fact that we were living in a time of holiday

Jews, by which I meant the Holocaust. It's so shamed Western culture into abandoning anti-Semitism,

but that wasn't going to last because anti-Semitism, Jew hatred is a permanent facet of the West.

It is, I believe, based in a hatred of the God of the Jews, who is now the God of everybody because of Jesus Christ.

And I think that that is why people want to expel the Jews because they want that God out of their life where he keeps bothering their conscience about their sins.

Robert Spencer is the director of Jihad Watch and a Shulman fellow at the David Harwitz Freedom Center.

He's written 30 books, many of them examining, turning a very harsh light on Islam,

but his new book, as I say, is anti-Semitism, history and myth.

Robert, it is great to see you again.

Thank you for coming on. Andrew, always good to talk to you. Thank you. So you start this book with a,

actually you end this book, I should say, with a line that really caught my attention. It says the

idea for this book arose from discussions with two people I had respected and admired, but not in the

usual way. After the October 7 massacre, they stunned me with their open avowals of age-old anti-Semitic

myths that I thought no sane and rational individual took seriously anymore. The Jews control,

the media, the Jews control, the international organizations and so forth.

I was really caught by that idea. First of all, I was wondering when I don't want you to give anything away. You obviously don't want to name these people. But when you say you respected

and admired them, not in the usual way, what do you mean not in the usual way? Can you tell me that?

Oh, I mean that the book was not inspired by people

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