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🗓️ 24 June 2025
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0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to the Psychology in Seattle podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Kirk Honda. I am a therapist and |
0:07.1 | professor. I thought I would talk about cognitive analytical therapy because a patron emailed me |
0:13.6 | about it. Patron Charlotte. She writes, Hi, Kirk. I have been recently, I've recently become a patron |
0:20.0 | after having listened to your podcast for a year or so. |
0:23.6 | I just wanted to say a huge thank you. I am a student at a university in Bristol, UK, studying on the |
0:32.2 | professional doctorate of counseling psychology. A couple years ago, we had some teaching on cognitive |
0:39.8 | analytical therapy, but I'm a bit out of practice and wondered if you could talk about it a bit. |
0:50.5 | Well, and she goes on to say, it's a really fascinating therapeutic modality and is evidence-based. |
0:58.1 | It also fills in the gaps that CBT leaves in that it pays attention to relational issues. |
1:05.1 | Well, thank you for writing in Patron Charlotte. |
1:08.0 | It gave me an excuse to look into this topic because it's not really my |
1:12.9 | area. But I could probably talk about it because cognitive analytic therapy is an |
1:21.0 | integration of two therapies that I know pretty well. And so after just doing a little bit of reading, |
1:25.7 | I feel like I can speak to it on some level. |
1:30.4 | It was initially developed in England by Anthony Ryle. |
1:34.7 | He was mostly active seemingly in the 1990s. |
1:39.6 | Anthony Ryle saw the human condition similar to the way I did, apparently, by his writing. He published |
1:48.0 | many articles on object relations, projective identification, transference and countertransference, |
1:54.8 | defense mechanisms, all that kind of stuff that I often talk about. And he also seemingly was attempting or did it did succeed in integrating |
2:05.4 | cognitive therapy with psychoanalysis and called it cognitive analytic therapy. It's, |
2:11.8 | you know, makes sense. Cognitive meaning cognitive therapy and analytic, meaning analytic therapy. |
2:16.9 | So he called it cognitive analytic therapy. |
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