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Psychology In Seattle Podcast

Cognitive Analytic Therapy (2016 Rerun)

Psychology In Seattle Podcast

Kirk Honda

Mental Health, Health & Fitness

4.61.2K Ratings

🗓️ 24 June 2025

⏱️ 39 minutes

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[Rerun] Dr. Kirk Honda talks about cognitive analytic therapy.


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September 2, 2016

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the Psychology in Seattle podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Kirk Honda. I am a therapist and

0:07.1

professor. I thought I would talk about cognitive analytical therapy because a patron emailed me

0:13.6

about it. Patron Charlotte. She writes, Hi, Kirk. I have been recently, I've recently become a patron

0:20.0

after having listened to your podcast for a year or so.

0:23.6

I just wanted to say a huge thank you. I am a student at a university in Bristol, UK, studying on the

0:32.2

professional doctorate of counseling psychology. A couple years ago, we had some teaching on cognitive

0:39.8

analytical therapy, but I'm a bit out of practice and wondered if you could talk about it a bit.

0:50.5

Well, and she goes on to say, it's a really fascinating therapeutic modality and is evidence-based.

0:58.1

It also fills in the gaps that CBT leaves in that it pays attention to relational issues.

1:05.1

Well, thank you for writing in Patron Charlotte.

1:08.0

It gave me an excuse to look into this topic because it's not really my

1:12.9

area. But I could probably talk about it because cognitive analytic therapy is an

1:21.0

integration of two therapies that I know pretty well. And so after just doing a little bit of reading,

1:25.7

I feel like I can speak to it on some level.

1:30.4

It was initially developed in England by Anthony Ryle.

1:34.7

He was mostly active seemingly in the 1990s.

1:39.6

Anthony Ryle saw the human condition similar to the way I did, apparently, by his writing. He published

1:48.0

many articles on object relations, projective identification, transference and countertransference,

1:54.8

defense mechanisms, all that kind of stuff that I often talk about. And he also seemingly was attempting or did it did succeed in integrating

2:05.4

cognitive therapy with psychoanalysis and called it cognitive analytic therapy. It's,

2:11.8

you know, makes sense. Cognitive meaning cognitive therapy and analytic, meaning analytic therapy.

2:16.9

So he called it cognitive analytic therapy.

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