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**Coal Is Not Dead: The Reliability of Modern Coal Powering AI and Data Centers.** Salena Zito discusses her visit to a Pennsylvania coal mine, where coal, once deemed obsolete, is now crucial due to the energy demands of artificial intelligence and data

The John Batchelor Show

John Batchelor

Society & Culture, Arts, News, Books

4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 17 October 2025

⏱️ 4 minutes

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Coal Is Not Dead: The Reliability of Modern Coal Powering AI and Data Centers. Salena Zito discusses her visit to a Pennsylvania coal mine, where coal, once deemed obsolete, is now crucial due to the energy demands of artificial intelligence and data centers. Coal 2.0 acknowledges coal's role as a reliable base energy source alongside natural gas and nuclear power, serving defense and steel manufacturing as well.

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This is John Batchel,

0:28.7

conversation with my colleague Selina Zito of the Washington Post about her descent into a coal mine in Pennsylvania, 1,200 feet down with Senator McCormick, looking at the modern face of coal,

0:35.8

artificial intelligence, large machines, well-paid staff,

0:40.7

and coal that gets to making electricity power within seven to ten hours of leaving the coal face.

0:47.6

But there's more to it than that.

0:49.6

Selina describes the need, the absolute need for coal.

0:53.6

Right now and going forward, the short answer is data centers, AI, needs coal.

1:01.0

Much more of this tonight.

1:02.3

Here's Selena.

1:03.4

Well, you know, for years, the message coming out of D.C. is coal was dead and or we're going to kill your jobs. That's

1:12.3

made it difficult to recruit young people. However, that has changed under this new administration

1:20.9

who rolled out coal 2.0 in March, I believe. And this has a lot to do with AI and the data power centers that are being built to, to, to, to, to,

1:38.4

facilitate AI, artificial intelligence.

1:41.6

They require an abundance of energy.

1:46.2

And it's energy that has to be, have a strong base load and be reliable.

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