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will change everything. One thing that keeps me up in the night is the question of artificial intelligence. What happens when they start to be self-aware? Can a robot take my mother to her checkup? We're talking about a whole new realm of things that can be solved. We're not simply observers to the dance of nature. We are now becoming choreographers to the dance of nature. Hi, I'm Iam Iyallik. And I'm Jonathan Cohen. And welcome to our breakdown. This is one of my favorite kind of episodes because it's both spiritual and practical. It's an exploration of science and it's a look at how the world is going to change drastically in a way that many people haven't even considered yet. And it's happening faster than we can imagine. We're gonna be talking today about the possibility that the way science or approach to the environment, our approach to longevity, detecting cancer, all of the ways that we've been doing all of those things have come to an end. You may not have known it, but they've come to an end because we are entering the world of quantum computing. And it's going to change every aspect of our lives, whether you like it or not, whether you're alive or not, when it happens, it has already started happening. What is a quantum computer? What does it mean to even calculate things on a quantum level? Well, we're going to speak to the co-founder of Stringfield Theory. Dr. Michio Kaku is a professor and theoretical physicist at the City University of New York. And that's right, you didn't hear me wrong. He is the co-founder of Stringfield Theory. He's the author of so many acclaimed science books, including hyperspace, beyond Einstein, physics of the impossible, the future of the mind, the God equation, and today we're going to be talking specifically about quantum supremacy, how the quantum computer revolution will change everything and is already changing everything. Is the multiverse real? We're going to actually explain it from a quantum physics perspective. What is dark matter? And why does it take up so much space in the universe? Also, is there life on other planets in other galaxies and solar systems? Are they more advanced than us? And can we contact them? In addition, we're going to talk about what it would look like to merge with technology and the kind of cultural and societal conflict that could arise from different perspectives about if we should even embark on this. We also discuss the future of artificial intelligence and when we need to be able to pull the plug if robots become dangerous. We do something really special in this episode, which is have a few aside where we deep-dive into explanations of core concepts to help people better understand. We had a limited time with Dr. Kaku, but it's an amazing conversation that I know you're going to enjoy. And with that, we will welcome Dr. Kaku to the breakdown. Break it down. In your new book, Quantum Supremacy, which I read every single page of and enjoyed very much, you talk about how the world as we know it is about to change. Can you help us get a framework for what that looks like? Okay, well, let's start at the beginning for thousands of years, humans lived in poverty, sickness, disease. We didn't live very long. You were lucky to reach the

age of 25 or 30 and then you would die of wars and diseases and things like that. And then around 1800,

something magical happened after so many thousands of years of misery and disease and poverty.

What happened was science began to happen. In the 1800s, all of a sudden we had locomotives. All of a sudden we had sewing machines. All of a sudden the industrial revolution began to take its hold. And then around 1900, a century later, all of a sudden we had yet another revolution taking place with electricity.

All of a sudden we had the electric revolution lighting up the cities and our homes. And then after World War II, we had the transistor. So we had the computer revolution that took And now we're in stage 4.

We're in stage four with artificial intelligence. And we can see the beginnings of the state of stage five when we have quantum computers. So history is accelerating very quickly right now. So we are in the fourth stage, the fourth stage of artificial intelligence, but we can see the beginnings of the next stage quantum supremacy when we begin to compute on atoms, not just molecules and transistors. For people who may not understand the implication of that, can you help make it a little clearer how that jump leads to some unbelievable breakthroughs? Yes, we realize that what you have on your desktop today is hundreds of times more powerful than what you used to have. But what's coming down the line is quantum computers which in some sense are millions of times more powerful than the digital computer sitting on your desk. So that's going to change everything once we have computers that powerful, millions of times more powerful than what's sitting on your desk. For example, take a look at medicine. Cancer is a mystery. What about the Parkinson's disease? What about all the diseases that we don't understand? Ordinary computers cannot crack the code. Ordinary computers simply hit or miss, try different avenues of approach, but it's not systematic. Quantum computers work at the atomic level, at the level of neutrons and protons and DNA. And so we think that this could have a revolution in in terms of disease. And also in terms of energy, nuclear fusion, people have always talked about it. But why do we have fusion reactors that light up our cities, the power of the sun on the earth. And that's because we don't have computers powerful enough to mimic fusion power. And that's coming with quantum computers. Not to mention things like global warming. Why can't we predict the weather? You realize that computers are not powerful enough to predict the weather more than just a few days ahead. And then again, this is where quantum computers come in. Quantum computers will be able to solve the global warming problem as well. So we're talking about a whole new realm of things that can be solved with quantum computers that compute on atoms, individual atoms, rather than transistors, which compute on zeros and ones, zeros and ones, zeros and one. One of the other applications of quantum computers and the book is a really beautiful explanation, you know, even for lay people, you know, who may be sort of trying to understand the basics, right? You kind of walk us through the journey from how we get from digital to this kind of quantum realm. One of the other arenas that there may be quantum supremacy in that would really impact a lot of us would be in terms of helping us live longer and better. And you talk about sort of the level of analysis that we've been doing as to why certain people have particularly good health, why certain people seem to have the luck of the draw in terms of aging. Can you explain how quantum computing can help us understand longevity differently? First of all, if you wanna see a quantum computer, simply go outside. Go outside and you see leaves and trees and animals. They are not computing on zeros and ones, zeros and ones. They're not digital computers outside your door. They are quantum computers. And that's why we have the variety of vegetation, the variety of animals, the variety of what you see right outside your door. And now we're beginning to understand how the aging process is working and how that affects the development of homo sapiens. And so we're beginning to understand mother nature on her own language. And this is amazing. Before that, it was all magic. Why do people get old? Oh, well, it's just aging. That's all it is. But you begin to realize that things like the aging process are quantum mechanical. We age at the molecular level. And if you want to understand this, think of a car. Where does aging take place in a car? The engine. Because that's where waste products build up. That's where you have combustion and waste products and and so it's building up inside a car. Well, what about a human now? Why do we get old? Why do we have to die? The same thing. We consume energy. Energy creates waste. It creates mistakes. These mistakes build up and that's why you get old. That's why your skin starts to get sagging and that's why your bones begin to creak. It's because the build up of errors. And so we're going to begin to cure some of these things in the future. And does it mean that we're going to live longer? Well, that's the goal. You mentioned that there's an asteroid that is coming and it's going to be very close to our planet. I believe you said April 2029, there's an asteroid that's going to be coming close. How can quantum computing help us predict the demise of our planet in particular in in trying to track asteroids that may be coming towards this planet? Yes, that asteroid is only the third one. The third one to come into our solar system from outside the solar system. And that's why it's caused so much beer and anxiety. So many websites are devoted to trying to understand is it aliens that are behind this thing. Well, to the best of our knowledge, we're not talking about aliens. We're not talking about superhuman devices that can impact on the planet Earth. We're talking about a natural phenomenon.

An actual phenomenon created by asteroids and meteors from outside the solar system. This is only the third time it's happened. The third time it's happened. And we're still using the primitive computers that we have here on the earth in order to understand its trajectory. And we're beginning to understand that it's normal. It's not alien, it's not an spaceship or amount of space. But it does mean that our tracking abilities are much better than before. We have telescopes, we have sensors, we have probes by which we can see these objects in outer space floating. And we can tell whether or not one of them can compose a danger to the planet Earth. Mine be Alex Breakdown is supported by optimizers. I struggled to get good quality sleep and I just thought like, ugh, it's stress. But I learned during perimenopause and menopause, your hormones shift, and it affects your magnesium levels. Low magnesium makes everything harder, not just sleep, but focus, mood, stress tolerance. That's why we added magnesium breakthrough by bioptimizers to our nightly routine. It's a blend of seven different forms of magnesium designed to support relaxation and overall sleep quality. Try it, see if you wake up more rested and refreshed. You've got nothing to lose and a lot to gain. Bi optimizers offers a 365 day, no questions asked, money back guarantee. Magnesium breakthrough is a fantastic way to improve that hormonal imbalance that especially happens with magnesium. And then you have better focus, you have better sleep hygiene in general. Bi optimizers makes it so easy. Here's what you get when you go to bioptimizers.com slash breaker and use the code breaker. 15% off your entire order and a free bottle of mass signs. That's bi optimizers best selling digestive enzyme added to your order automatically when you use our exclusive code. That's a $20 product free on top of your discount. This is a limited time offer while supplies last.

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You get 15% off your entire order and a free bottle of mass times bi optimizers best selling digestive enzyme. That'll be added to your order automatically when you use our exclusive code. That's a $20 product free on top of your discount already. This is a limited time offer and while supplies last, you can't get it on Amazon, you can't get it in stores. This offer exists in one place. Our link, our code, that's it. So maybe you were already thinking about it. This is the sign. Go to bioptimizers.com slash breaker. Use the code breaker. Grab it before it's gone. Make 2026 the year. You finally start sleeping again. Let's take a pause and talk about quantum computers. When we talk about quantum computing, what are we even talking about? So Jonathan, I'm going to speak to you as if you're my class right now, because I feel like this needs a little bit of instructional kind of explanation. And this is like, if you want to learn this for yourself, quantum supremacy is the way to go. So modern computers that we know about, right? Like the ones that we're using, they encode things in binary, right? Like zeros and ones. And you don't even have to understand it. I don't even really understand it more than that. I know that I type Google.com and information comes to me. So the zeros and ones go through some sort of digital processor. And again, we don't need to know what that processor is. We just need to know that some calculation is done based on these zeros and ones and you get an output. So when you think about like your internet connection, that's the example that he used. That's gigabits per second. Gigabit, right? They're actually called gigabits. Gigabits per second. That means that a billion bits are sent to your computer every second. what makes you allowed to view things, to watch videos in real time. To see you right now. To see me right now. However, and Richard Feynman is a huge part of the conversation about the shift from understanding this transition from zeros and ones into a quantum understanding. So what Feynman said is, what happens if we replace zeros and ones with the states of atoms? And it's a theoretical construct at first. So what we know about atoms, and this is just basic stuff, they're like spinning tops, that's how he describes it. So if you place atoms in a magnetic field, they can either align with respect to the field or in opposition to the field. That would correspond to zero or one. So the power of a digital computer relates to the numbers of zeros and ones, but in the subatomic world, when atoms are being kind of calculated and considered, atoms can spin in any combination, right, of these states. For example, I'm just going to give you the example from the book. And atom can spin up 10% of the time and down 90% of the time. can spin up 65% of the time and down 90% of the time. It can spin up 65% of the time and down 35% of the time. And this is the key thing. There are an infinite number of ways that an Adam can spin. That increases the number of states that that Adam can exist in. So an Adam is not just carrying information that can be held in a bit. It can be held in a qubit, which is a simultaneous mixture of up and down states. So what we also know is that objects existing simultaneously in multiple states is called superposition. Okay? That's what it's called. So what happens is when qubits interact with each other, they can get entangled. You've heard of entanglement. Quantum computers are exponentially more powerful than digital computers because the qubit power is what makes it different. So for example, today quantum computers can have over 100 qubits. That means they are 2 to the 100th times more powerful than a computer that just has one qubit. I don't know if this helped, but that is the explanation. So Google's Sikamore quantum computer, that was the first to achieve quantum supremacy, has the power to process 72 million, billion bytes of memory. It has 53 qubits. So the power of a quantum computer dwarfs any conventional computer. There's a quantum computer on page 89 of quantum supremacy. And I'll be honest, it looks like a chandelier showing Aitan. It looks like a chandelier. I didn't even know what it looked like. Most of the complex hardware is pipes and pumps that are necessary to what? To cool the core to near absolute zero. And the reason that it has to be cooled is literally because like, atoms move fast, it gets hot, it's gonna overheat. And we've heard about this as a problem. What's fascinating is that mother nature is calculating on a quantum level without anything needing to be cooled down. And he talks about this throughout the book and this is the fantastic understanding of our limitations as humans. We have to build something that mostly is made of things to cool it to a temperature when we can isolate the movement of atoms that Mother Nature does all by herself in all sorts of temperatures. So the heart of a quantum computer may be as small as a quarter, but the rest of it is everything that's involved to cool everything down. That's your brief primer into what quantum computing is. Just before we get back to the episode, talk a little bit about how this technology finds solutions in ways never before imagined. I love that you're asking this question. So, what does it mean to be able to utilize the power of a quantum computer? It means that everything is faster, and I don't just mean like, oh, you're not waiting for something to upload. It means that the number of calculations of possibilities is happening at a quantum level. And if you don't understand that, that's okay. That's what quantum means. It means that every single possibility in the universe is being simultaneously calculated. It can still take some time for some of the more, you know, sophisticated mathematical equations, but I'll give you an example. Pandemics. You know how we have to figure out like a vaccine that goes with a virus, and that the virus is like mutating. Remember with COVID, there were all these different strains. And if you got the vaccine, you were worried that the virus was gonna mutate faster than your immune system. It was. So a quantum calculation of the trajectory of a virus means that computer can track what all the possible growth trajectories are for all the possible mutations that might exist simultaneously. So in real time, we are potentially able to say, this is how it's mutating. This is the drug that would have to meet it. And most importantly, how do you stop the spread of a virus by detecting it early, by understanding its mutation, and by trying to figure out how to coordinate off? So literally, people would not have to do, we would not have to have a million people die before we could figure out how to contain it. We would have learned about it much earlier, we would have learned about its mutation patterns and ways to devise a vaccine much quicker with much less catastrophic impact. That's just one example, that's just pandemics. Screening and curing cancer. So this is an amazing thing. You've heard of dogs that can detect cancer, right? They can smell it. They can smell it. I mean, if we're not teaching arts, you have to do that. What are we doing? Dogs are being used to detect coronavirus. I didn't know that dogs were trained to detect coronavirus. Especially trained dog was able to give a 95% accurate identification within 10 seconds. I know the Helsinki airport did it because they're ahead of everything. Not before he's had his walk and been told he's a good boy though. Dogs have been trained to identify lung, breast, ovarian, bladder, and prostate cancer. Dogs have a 99% success rate in detecting prostate cancer by sniffing a patient's urine sample. Dogs can detect breast cancer with 88% accuracy. Lung cancer with 99% accuracy. Why? They have 220 million nasal scent receptors. We only have five million. So their sense of smell is exquisite. And the question is, why have we not been able to figure out what they are detecting in a way to replicate it? The answer is because we didn't have quantum computing. So this is one of the places where a quantum computer is able to access and assess. Smell like a dog. No, but they're able to figure out what are these components, what are these parameters in ways that are much more rapid and, in many cases, are simultaneous. Think about that applied to all problems, the notion of battery storage and how to exponentially increase battery storage, exponentially increase solar capture and transition into battery storage. Quantum computers have the ability to understand why we don't have enough successful grain production in parts of the world where people are dying, right? This is what it can be used for global warming, the understanding of what is actually happening and how to repair it in terms of like there's a whole thing about nitrogen pairing and nitrogenase. All of that can be calculated with extreme precision, extreme accuracy. And it is literally, it's bending time by saving time, right? It's getting us to this next parameter, not in a linear fashion, which is how history's gone. And there have been little spikes. This is a quantum projection, right, of the capability of the planet's resources, sickness, the way to fix disease. I mean, it's unbelievable. Let's get back to the episode and stick around for the outro where we will describe more applications for how a quantum computer can solve some of the world's biggest problems. So speaking of aliens, in terms of your understanding of our place on this planet, what can you tell us about the human interest in exoplanets and in a potential either intelligent life or or even non intelligent life on other planets? Well, you know, when I was a child, I still remember getting a coloring book where you color Saturn, Jupiter, and whatever. And at the end of the book, the book said, that's all folks. That's all there is from from Mercury out to Pluto. That's all there is. Now we realize that's not all there is at all, that there are other solar systems that we can photograph. This is amazing. Our probes are good enough now that we can log onto distant stars and see the imprint of a planet orbiting around these stars. And we can even start to count how many planets they are in our vicinity. This is amazing and we begin to find that none of these planets look like ours. We used to think that our solar system was perhaps typical, normal. They're all just like us. No. We realized that there are solar systems out there that are bigger, larger, faster, smaller that we are the exception to the rule in fact. And does that mean that there are aliens out there? Well, who knows? But it does mean that we are underestimated that diversity of what's out in our own celestial backyard. What do you imagine is out there? Obviously, there are a lot of studies still exploring the nature of what could be out there. If you put your theoretical hat on, what do you imagine we may find? Do you think there is future alien civilizations or intelligent civilizations? Well, let me stick my neck out and say that yes, I believe they're out there. I believe that there are other intelligent beings. We're not the only gay man town. Okay. However, the distance between stars is so great that you would have to be extremely advanced to reach us from a distant star in our own backyard in our own galaxy And so it's possible It's possible that their civilizations out there that are older than ours That have messed through the art of interstellar travel, but we haven't we're just beginning We're just beginning we're novices this game. We're just beginning to shoot probes out to the distant near my planets. Well, we think that out there, there could be aliens that have already mastered the art of communicating with distant star systems much farther than what we know about the earth. And that takes us into black holes, takes us into pulsars, takes into all sorts of celestial things that could be out there that have life forms that are older than ours and have already mastered distant travel to different stars. Like black holes, for example, black holes were first looked at by Albert Einstein himself in the 1930s, but he thought that they would not be able to be seen. They're simply too great, too fantastic, nice to think about, but they're not going to be reachable from the planet Earth. But we now realize that Black holes could be, get this, could be gateways, gateways to distant realms around the universe. So if this is a sheet of paper, a sheet of paper, and we are here, and there's a distant star over here, it might be possible to bend space and time, and so that we can then hop across a wormhole to a distant part of our galaxy. Now of course this is still science fiction. We don't know for sure whether it's possible, but the equations show that yes, if you have a black hole, you may be able to create a shortcut between the stars. Just like every Marvel movie, little whirling image opens up and we just jump through to another timeline, which opens up a lot of complicated issues about time itself. And is it linear? Is it circular? Are there multiple universes happening simultaneously? And if I jump through one of these black holes, am I messing up what's happening in my current reality? Well, this gets us into what's on the other side of a black hole. We see black holes out there. They're not science fiction anymore. In fact, at the center of almost every single galaxy that we see with their telescopes, we think there is a black hole. And then the next question, what happens if you fall into a black hole, do you come out the other end? And the answer is we simply don't know. But there are mathematics, there are mathematical theorems that show that it may be possible to survive a passage through a black hole. I'm not saying that's going to be easy. I'm not saying that it's going to be like commonplace to go through a black hole, but it could be a gateway to another universe. And what would it be like? Well, think of our universe. Our universe is a bubble of some sort, and the bubble is expanding. That's called the Big Bang Theory. But if string theory is correct, it means that there are other bubbles out there, other universes, that our universe is not the only one. There's a multiverse, a multiverse of universes out there, and perhaps gateways to reach them to a wormhole. And again, this is still speculation. We don't have any concrete evidence, but the mathematics seems to indicate that we could be in a bubble bath, a bubble bath of universes. Say more about a bubble bath of universes. Think of a bubble bath where we have different balls that can collide to create a bigger ball or a confusion and create two smaller balls. So these are the generations that you get with a multiverse of Universes which we now think could exist. When you look at string theory, you realize a string theory says that our universe

may not be the only one, that there could be other bubbles out there, and these bubbles can collide, they can bump into each other, or they can vision, vision into two smaller bubbles. And so we think that at least the theory seems to indicate that there could be and multiverse, multiverse of universes out there.

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