CNLP 743 | Stuck Under a Bad Boss? Bree Groff on How to Thrive, Lead Up, and Transform Your Job
The Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast
Carey Nieuwhof
4.8 • 2.2K Ratings
🗓️ 22 July 2025
⏱️ 74 minutes
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Summary
One question church leaders keep asking is "what do I do about my boss/lead pastor? Enter Bree Groff, workplace expert who explains what to do when you have a bad boss, don't love your job, and the future of work.
Plus, Bree talks about how to become a better boss and what kind of jobs are going to make the cut during the coming AI revolution.
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| 0:00.0 | The Art of Leadership Network. |
| 0:02.7 | I often think of a grapevine is there are emotions that got pushed underground because they |
| 0:08.8 | weren't welcome above ground. |
| 0:11.3 | And so when we think about like the whispers or the DMs of like, oh, this, can you even |
| 0:17.2 | believe this? |
| 0:18.5 | The antidote to that sort of whispering jokes about the boss is just bring that conversation |
| 0:24.1 | above ground. |
| 0:25.5 | So my very best trick is something that I call it. |
| 0:32.6 | Welcome to the Kerry Newhoff Leadership Podcast. |
| 0:35.0 | It's Carrie here. |
| 0:35.8 | And I hope our time together today helps you thrive in life and leadership. Well, today I'm talking about bad bosses. Um, you ever had one? |
| 0:43.5 | Are you one? I've been a bad boss sometimes. Working on that daily. And, uh, you know what? I think |
| 0:49.3 | most of us have worked under one. One of the most frequent requests I get, questions I get from you as listeners |
| 0:56.4 | is, what do I do when I can't control the culture? What do I do when, you know, love my church, |
| 1:02.6 | love the job, not a great boss, not a great culture. What do I do? So we tackle that every once in a |
| 1:07.9 | while. Breed Graf, my guest today has some amazing ideas, |
| 1:11.7 | stuff I've never thought, I've never heard of. I think you're going to love it. So if you're stuck under a bad boss, this is all about how to thrive, how to lead up, how to transform your job. And if you are that boss, this is how you get out of that. If you have a moment of self-awareness where you're like, uh-oh, think I'm that guy shows you exactly what you need to do to change it. |
| 1:12.0 | And you know what? need to do to change it. |
| 1:30.3 | And you know what? |
| 1:31.0 | It's easier than you think. |
| 1:31.9 | So I think you're going to love it. |
| 1:33.2 | Hey, welcome to all of you who are new. |
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