CNLP 734 | Is Your Church Overstaffed? Amy Anderson on The Pivotal Differences Between Growing and Declining Churches, and The Legacy of Tony Morgan
The Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast
Carey Nieuwhof
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🗓️ 10 June 2025
⏱️ 63 minutes
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Summary
The Unstuck Group's Amy Anderson discusses how to know if your church is overstaffed (it probably is), the key differences between growing and declining churches, and leading a company after its founder dies.
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| 0:00.0 | The Art of Leadership Network. |
| 0:02.9 | There's three reasons that you're overstaffed. |
| 0:05.5 | One is that you have too much ministry that you're trying to do, right? |
| 0:09.6 | When they're paying above that 55% for staffing, or if they're staffed one full-time person |
| 0:14.6 | for every 30, 35 people, you're either trying to do too much ministry. |
| 0:19.5 | So really, we're never going to have enough people. |
| 0:22.1 | We're just way too broad in our approach on our ministry strategies. The second is... |
| 0:32.6 | Welcome to the Kerry Newhoff Leadership Podcast. It's Carrie here, and I hope our time together |
| 0:36.9 | today helps you thrive in life and leadership. Today, we're going to talk about whether your church is |
| 0:42.7 | overstaffed. We're going to get super practical on some common stats I keep seeing. And my guest is |
| 0:48.8 | Amy Anderson. She is the new principal leader at the unstuck group. And you may know the unstuck group. We also talk |
| 0:55.7 | about losing Tony Morgan. What happens when your founder passes away unexpectedly, tragically? |
| 1:01.7 | How do you navigate that as an organization? And then we get into a lot of shop talk. So I think |
| 1:07.6 | you're really going to appreciate this episode. Amy Anderson has served on the lead |
| 1:12.1 | team at the Unstuck Group since 2016, including eight years as a director of consulting. She served |
| 1:18.2 | over 150 churches. I love their research. I think you're really going to find this helpful. |
| 1:24.0 | She has served as the executive director of weekend services at Eaglebrook Church in the Twin Cities, |
| 1:29.1 | helping the church grow from one location of 3,000 to six locations with over 20,000 gathering |
| 1:35.2 | every single weekend. |
| 1:36.8 | Hey, for those of you who are new to the podcast, welcome. |
| 1:39.7 | Please subscribe, maybe leave a rating and review if you enjoy this episode. |
| 1:43.7 | And I got something brand new |
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