CNLP 712 | The Difference Between Preaching to a Pre-Christian and Post-Christian Culture: Mark Clark on Leveraging Your Unique Personality—Even Tourettes and OCD—and How to Talk to An Anxious Generation
The Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast
Carey Nieuwhof
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🗓️ 25 February 2025
⏱️ 93 minutes
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Summary
Mark Clark talks about the difference between preaching to a pre-Christian and post-Christian culture and how to do both effectively so that you can reach people and grow your church.
Plus, Mark and Carey discuss how to leverage your unique gifting and quirks. Mark shares how he's learned to preach and lead with Tourettes Syndrome and OCD. And he discusses how to solve the problem of life for an anxious generation.
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| 0:00.0 | The Art of Leadership Network. |
| 0:03.0 | Well, something different on this episode for the very first time. |
| 0:06.4 | We are doing a state of the church update, and I'm here with my good friend and Barna CEO, David Kinnaman. |
| 0:12.9 | David, we're just going to talk about what's happening in the church, right? |
| 0:15.8 | Things are changing as quickly as I've ever seen, so we want to give leaders an update. |
| 0:20.9 | Welcome. Thank you. It give leaders an update. Welcome. |
| 0:22.1 | Thank you. |
| 0:22.6 | It's so good to be here. |
| 0:23.5 | And thanks to all your listeners for joining in on this little update on the state of the church. |
| 0:28.2 | Well, this feels like a little mini Church Pulse Weekly, that podcast we did before. |
| 0:32.0 | And we'll be bringing this to you about once a month, just as an update, a value add to leaders. |
| 0:36.7 | So you have done an in-depth study of the state of |
| 0:41.9 | the church, and we're going to focus on a trend, honestly, that when I saw it for the first time |
| 0:46.9 | from you, couldn't believe what I was seeing. What are you going to share with us today? |
| 0:51.2 | Well, a lot of you have heard about the rise of the nuns, N-O-N-E-S, the |
| 0:55.5 | religiously unaffiliated. And that trend continues, although there is some evidence that it is |
| 1:00.5 | slowing down, which is a good thing, that it is plateauing. But what I really want to talk about |
| 1:06.5 | today is this trend of young women leading the way among the religious nuns. |
| 1:12.9 | And several different research companies, including Barna, have begun to uncover this disaffection with young women. |
| 1:20.4 | So we did a big study among Gen Z. |
| 1:22.7 | This is among teenagers and young adults, basically 13 to 24. |
| 1:30.7 | And in both cases, when you compare young men, |
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