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Honestly, for the most part, I'm not drawn to books about leadership.

I will often find if I'm talking with somebody, if they're involved in academics, a theologian or philosopher or

psychologist, I would be very energized in that conversation.

If somebody is involved in leadership, I've valued in that

somebody is involved in leadership. I value leadership a lot, but I don't have the same kind of resonance with it. I don't find myself drawn to those kind of books or talks as much.

But it was a long journey for me to come to grips with that,

and it was very, very painful. And for a long time, I just needed to think of myself as an effective concert leader because the only alternative

category to that for me was losing.

Welcome to the Carrie Newhoff Leadership Podcast, it's Carrie here and I hope our time

together today helps you thrive in life leadership. Welcome to all of our new

listeners. We are in the early stages of a brand new year. I'm so

excited to have you on board and welcome to those of you who've been

listening for years. Right back to episode one. I hear from you episode one people

on a semi-regular basis, particularly when I'm on the road.

Anyway, great to have you here. We have got a great show today.

John Orpberg is my guest, and we go deep into the seeming divide between leaders who really value leadership and

those who value spiritual formation. Why is it that there are two camps? We talk

about that and we go deep. We also talk about its reflections on Willow Creek and church moral failures and much more. It's never boring with John Ortberg. Hey today's episode is brought to you by my art of preaching course.

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