Welcome to the Carrie Newhoff Leadership Podcast. A podcast all about leadership, change and personal growth.

The goal? To help you lead like never before in your church or in your business and now your

host Carrie Newhoff.

Well hey everybody and welcome to episode 377 of the podcast.

My name is Carrie Newhuff and I hope we're timed together today.

Helps you lead like never before.

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Well, today's guest is Todd Wilson and we're going to talk about the future of church growth, how church finances

impact the return to church, and the future of innovative church planting.

This is you'll probably pick up in the conversation.

Started off as a phone call.

Todd's like, hey, you want to talk?

We talked in the early days.

Well, I guess the early summer days of 2020.

And it was such a fascinating phone call.

We don't agree on absolutely everything,

which to me is fun about the future of the church.

We see eye to eye on a lot of stuff,

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