Welcome to the Carrie Newhoff Leadership Podcast. A podcast all about leadership

change and personal growth. The goal? To help you lead like never before in your church or in your business.

And now your host, Carrie Newhoff.

Well, hey everybody and welcome to episode 282 of the podcast.

My name is Carrie Newhoff and I hope our time together today

helps you lead like never before.

Well, we are pushing in on five years of this show

and also 300 episodes.

Just want to say thank you.

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get in touch the email is carry at carry newhofe.com. So thank you so much

guys just want to let you know how grateful I am. I'm really

excited about today's podcast. I have known Joel Manby for a number of years now and he's got quite a

remarkable career. Started out at age 35 as CEO of Saab USA, moved to

Green Light Amazon's brief moment where they sold cars.

Yeah, for real, we'll talk about that.

And then with CEO of Hershend Entertainment,

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