Welcome to the Carrie Newhoff Leadership Podcast. A podcast all about leadership, change and personal growth.

The goal? To help you lead like never before in your church or in your business and now your host

Carrie Newhaw.

Well hey everybody and welcome to episode 278 of the podcast.

My name is Carrie New Hoff, and I hope our time together today helps you lead like never

before.

Well, this was a fun one.

Ian Morgan Kron is back on my podcast.

I interviewed him before.

In fact, the backstory to this is

I had heard all about the Eniagram

and I was kind of suspicious and I'm like,

you know, I'm not gonna do the Eni anyagram and then I read the road back to you

drank the Kool-Aid like everybody else went out and bought copies for everyone in my family

for my entire staff went through all the assessments for our entire team.

It's amazing.

And then had Ian on the podcast within a month of me reading the book.

So that was kind of fun.

And then we hit it off and he said he said hey why don't you come on my

podcast and what happened was he wanted to talk about my last book didn't see it

coming and he started to analyze it through the lens of the eniagram.

And even though I was a guest on his podcast, we kind of flipped the tables and

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