Welcome to the Carrie Newhoff Leadership Podcast. A podcast all about leadership

change and personal growth. The goal? To help you lead like never before in your church or in your business.

And now your host, Carrie Newhoff.

Well, hey everybody and welcome to episode 252 of the podcast.

My name is Carrie Newhoff,

and I hope our time together today helps you lead

like never before.

Well, last Thursday, we released an episode

I did with Drew Powell and Matt Warren from

cross-point church in Nashville. I hope you loved it as much as I did. That was an

incredible conversation just about what's changing in culture, why a

tractional church became what it did, why it's maybe not producing in

terms of impact, what it used to, and so much more. So today is kind of part two of that because

when I was in Nashville I spent some time with Drew and with Matt but then I sat down

with the new lead pastor at cross point,

Kevin Queen.

And Kevin has had the incredible and sometimes

unenviable task of following a founding pastor.

So Crosspoint was started by Pete Wilson. It grew to

thousands of people and multiple campuses. Then Pete stepped back and then Kevin's

got to come in and move in and I think the incredible part of that story,

multiple pieces, but number one, Kevin's a completely different style leader

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