Welcome to the Carrie Newhoff Leadership Podcast. A podcast all about leadership

change and personal growth. The goal? To help you lead like never before in your church or in your business and now your host

Carrie Newhaw.

Well hey everybody and

I welcome to episode 235 of the podcast my name is Carrie Newhoff and I hope our time together today

helps you lead like never before and if you're listening in real time

Merry Christmas guys I hope it's an amazing holiday. I know it can be a real

grind at church and if you're listening to this in real time you're probably tired

and trying to stay awake for your family. I have been there so many times but I I just want to know. I'm glad to come

alongside you today. I hope it's been a great holiday for you and I hope meaningful

holiday for you spiritually as well. Hey, listen, just so you know, nobody's working today, we're all off with our

families, but thanks to the internet and all the stuff that makes this appear magically

without you, we're able to ship even on Christmas Day and

whether you're listening on a run or you know the next day or that week I really hope

it's a great season for you and actually a very appropriate subject so you know

know often people think okay if I'm going to lead something that's growing rapidly

I have to sacrifice my family I have to sacrifice my health and answer to that.

No, you don't.

And that's why I'm really excited to have John Van Pay on the

podcast for this episode because he leads the fastest growing church in America and we talk about well how to be home

five nights a week how to find margin amidst growth and how to say no to stay focused

yes it is not mutually exclusive. You can do both. So this is going to be

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