Welcome to the Carrie Newhoff Leadership Podcast. A podcast all about leadership, change and personal growth.

The goal, to help you lead like never before in your church or in your business and now

your host Carrie Newhoff.

Well hey everybody and welcome to episode 218 of the podcast.

My name is Carrie Newhoff and I hope our time together today

helps you lead like never before.

Well, my guest today is no stranger to many of you.

Last week we had Andy Stanley on. This week it's Francis Chan and Francis is just unlike really anybody else in leadership.

And you'll hear, if you don't know him, you'll hear his personality come through and we kept part of the interview at the end in with Francis's blessing.

You'll hear him go like, hey, I don't know whether I should be saying this out loud or not.

And then I asked him after he's like, yeah,

now let's leave it in.

So we left it in.

It's gonna be a fascinating interview.

Really personal, really vulnerable, and really honest.

We talk about why he left his mega church,

what he learned about it, what was good about it,

what was not good about it,

how he's planted basically what some people have called

church B&B now, and what he's thinking about

doing next. Plus he has a brand new book and it's a riveting book. We talk

about that a little bit too. It's called Letters to the Church. I had a

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