Welcome to the Carrie Newhoff Leadership Podcast. A podcast all about leadership

and personal growth. The goal? To help you lead like never before in your church or in your business and now

your host Carrie Newhoff. Well hey everybody and welcome to episode 140 of the podcast.

My name is Carrie Newhoff.

I hope our time together today helps you lead like never before.

And I don't want to be cheeky, but I'm not sure how it can't,

because I love this subject.

Tony Morgan's my guest. He's no stranger to those of you who subscribe to the

podcast. He's been on before he'll be on again. He's got a brand new book out this

week called The Unstuck Church and I walk him through the

contents of that book and basically he does something amazing he takes the

insights of leaders like Aubrey Malefers and Les McEwen and applies them directly to church.

Now some of you are like, wait a minute, I know that name, Les McEwen.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you do.

Because if you're a subscriber, you'll remember episode 112, I had Les McEwenon a wildly successful episode one of the all-time

Most downloaded episodes on this podcast and he talked about predictable success in the seven stages of any business in their business cycle and we applied it to church but then Tony has taken some of less's learnings and a lot of his own learnings and written his own book on the life cycle of a church, you know,

from the startup days right through to the death days of any church.

And so I'm going to talk to Tony today about what those stages are and how you can

discover what stage your church or organization is at. So think of episode 112 with

Les McEwen and this one 140 with Tony Morgan as best friends because I think you're just

going to learn a lot from both perspectives and again subscribers really easy to

find that stuff and you could subscribe for free so if you haven't done that yet, do that today.

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