Welcome to the Carrie Newhoff Leadership Podcast. A podcast all about leadership, change and personal growth.

The goal, to help you lead like never before.

In your church or in your business.

And now your host, Carrie Newhoff.

Well, hey, everybody, and welcome to episode 88 of the podcast.

My name is Carrie Newhoff and I hope our time together today helps you lead like never before.

I am really excited to introduce you to today's guest.

His name is Martin Daland and like probably 80 to 90 percent of you

he's trying to do something that the vast majority of pastors for whatever reason

and there actually are reasons never seem to be able to do, which is to sustainably

grow a congregation past the 200 attendance mark. And like my guest last week, Josh Pizzold, Martin is somebody that I have mentored for the last couple of years.

Actually, in Martin's case, about four years, as he's navigated this transition.

I met him before he was a lead pastor, he got appointed appointed interim then all of a sudden he's a senior

pastor he's trying to get the church you know beyond 200 and stable and healthy and and then it

almost burned him out but you know what he's done it and we just get on a call like a Skype call every month or two and we just kind of talk through the issues and so

Martin is going to share with you in a very practical way his journey and how now, even though his church is almost, I think maybe double the size it was when we first met.

He has more time with his family, more time with his wife, a healthier staff, a healthier

team, and a healthier culture.

Some bumps along the way, but man, he's done it in a culture where very few churches ever

make it past 200.

200's a mega church in Norway.

And Martin's just done a great job,

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