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Woman's Hour

Clothes sizing, Afghan women, What's driving men who define themselves as incels?

Woman's Hour

BBC

Society & Culture

4.13K Ratings

🗓️ 16 August 2021

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

Many bigger-busted women find it difficult to find clothing tailored to their chest size. The last time a national size survey was conducted in the UK was back in 2001, so why don’t clothing manufacturers take our bra sizes into account? Edaein O’Connell is a 32H, and has written about her struggle to find well fitting clothes. Dr Kathryn Brownbridge is a Senior Lecturer in Fashion and Design at Manchester Metropolitan University.

City after city has fallen to the Taliban in Afghanistan including the capital Kabul. Blame is being apportioned for who is responsible - the Americans, the weak former government in Afghanistan or our own foreign policy. What seems certain is that women's lives will change dramatically. Lynne O'Donnell is a journalist who until yesterday was in Kabul. Homira Rezai lived in Afghanistan until 2006, aged 13 she moved to Dudley in the West Midlands . Pashtana Durani runs an education charity in Kabul.

As the country reels from and mourns the loss of life after the Plymouth shooting last week, what is really driving men who define themselves as incels? Why do they claim to hate women as much as they do? Lily O'Farrell is a feminist cartoonist who decided to discover more about these groups. Joan Smith is an author, journalist and the co-chair of the mayor of London’s Violence Against Women and Girls board.

Plus how do you feel about sweating? We spend on antiperspirants and deodorants – £54 billion a year – we put an awful lot of effort into pretending we DON'T sweat and certainly DON'T smell. Science journalist Sarah Everts talks about the research in her new book, The Joy of Sweat: The strange Science of Perspiration.

Presenter: Emma Barnett Producer: Lucinda Montefiore

Transcript

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Hello, I'm Emma Barnet and welcome to Womonsa from BBC Radio 4.

0:40.0

Good morning. Welcome to today's program, as the world looks on with shock as the Taliban takes the Afghan capital Kabul and tells the BBC

0:46.8

that the militant group is working to form a new government in Afghanistan, what is going

0:51.9

to happen to women and girls?

0:54.6

The Taliban may have waited nearly 20 years for US and UK forces to leave, but no one can or

1:00.1

should forget that during Taliban rule in the late 90s women were largely confined

1:04.6

to their homes and girls had no access to education.

1:08.4

A spokesman for the Taliban has told the BBC that girls will still have access to education, but voices from the country

1:14.9

are telling a different story and women are already sharing their fears.

1:19.6

Today we will hear some of those voices, but I wanted to start today's program by reading you

1:24.3

apart of a very powerful guardian article published this weekend and penned by an anonymous

1:28.9

woman living in Carval. It's entitled, Now I have to burn everything I achieved.

1:35.0

She says, as a woman, I feel like I am the victim of this political war that men started.

1:40.0

I feel I can no longer laugh out loud. I can no longer listen to my favorite songs. I can no longer meet my friends in our favorite cafe. I can no longer wear my favorite yellow dress or pink lipstick and I can no longer go to my job or finish the

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