From New York Times, I'm Michael Bobarrow. This is The Daily.

A major investigation from the Times has found that government pressure to perform more and more organ transplants is creating greater risk for donors and threatening

the overall fairness of the system.

Today, my colleague, investigative reporter Brian Rosenthal, on what he's uncovered.

It's Wednesday, July 30th.

Brian, thank you for coming into the studio.

Thanks for having me.

Tell us about how this investigation that you have now been up to for many, many months began.

So it began when I got a vague suggestion from a source that I should look into the organ transplant system.

Something presumably not on your radar.

Not at all. And so I ended up going to this conference, the American Transplant Congress, in Philadelphia last summer.

And it was a gathering of thousands of doctors and researchers talking about all aspects

of the transplant system.

You know, these conferences are not the most exciting events in the world.

It was a lot of minutia, a lot of technical terms.

But then I attended one panel that really stuck with me.

Why?

The panelists were speaking in really stark terms about the dramatic failings of the transplant system.

One panelist was talking about how we violated trust in the system.

We violated transparency.

She said, we have a system in chaos.

Well.

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