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Climate Leninism w/ Jodi Dean and Kai Heron

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Politics, Society & Culture, News

4.91.8K Ratings

🗓️ 27 February 2024

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

Transition is inevitable, we’re past the point of literal climate denialism. Even the fossil fuel industry, which has known about the dangers of climate change for decades now, has a plan for transition. In fact, one could argue that when it comes to being prepared and having a plan for the inevitable transition that climate change has forced upon us, the capitalist class is much, much more organized than we are on the left. Why is this the case?

Well, the answer is kind of implied in the original question: it’s a matter of organization. And right now, the left largely unorganized. In this episode, we’re going to explore the problem of organization in the context of climate action and ask how we on the left can begin to get seriously organized in a way that will allow us to actually have a set of concrete, scalable programs that can be put into action at a moment’s notice.

To do this, we’ve brought on two guests. Jodi Dean is an American political theorist and professor in the Political Science department at Hobart and William Smith Colleges in New York state, and and organizer with Party for Socialism and Liberation, or PSL. And Kai Heron, is a lecturer in Political Ecology at Lancaster University in the UK. Together Kai and Jodi authored the piece, “Climate Leninism and Revolutionary Transition: Organization and Anti-imperialism in Catastrophic Times,” published in the journal Spectre.

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To learn more, visit eco-gathere dot Sterling College. Edu. A. Oh, oh, oh, oh, I mean. Oh, I mean, One of the things that a party enables is a line of battle, a set of shared commitments, and I think we need that for climate change.

0:57.0

What if there was a clear left line that either an international of communist parties or one

1:04.9

Leninist party was able to fight for and defend. We would be able to actually make a

1:09.9

difference in the struggles that are happening and unfolding, but we can't make a difference right now because of the kind of generalized fragmentation and just, I don't know, real sense that we shouldn't have a combined and centralized left.

1:22.7

It's not only that we're fragment,

1:23.8

it's like people don't think that unified left

1:26.4

is actually necessary.

1:27.8

They think that in fact, like small divergent,

1:30.7

multiple things is a preferable form, but that's just like trying to take an

1:34.2

advantage out of the kind of situation of broader incapacity rather than to actually figure

1:39.3

out how we need to solve it.

1:41.0

So in sum I think the party is a way to approach having the same kinds of

1:47.3

power that the capitalist class have. If we don't combine, we will forever be fragmented, separated, and picked off.

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