I like to say that there's crazy people and religious crazy people,

and the religious crazy people are crazier than the crazy people

because they think they have God on their sides.

In the 16th century, a German theology professor nailed some not so nicely worded notes

to the door of his local Catholic church, and so became catalyst for the Protestant Reformation.

Martin Luther's intent was reform, but the effects produced a lasting cultural and at times

violent divide between Catholics and Protestants.

And in the past 500 years, Catholic Church has not seen that sort of internal upheaval and division.

That is, until now.

Hello and welcome to the G0 World Podcast.

I'm Ian Bremmer.

This is the place where you can hear extended interviews with the world leaders,

newsmakers, and experts that I feature on my public television show every week. Today on the podcast,

things are about to get downright holy. Since that white smoke first billed out of the Vatican in

2013 in the words, Abamos Papin rang throughout the world. We have a pope. Pope Francis has gone from

rock star to lightning rot, just as a battle erupted inside the Catholic Church. And as the

faithful choose sides in a culture war with big implications for everything from gay rights to

climate change to immigration, I'll interview a priest who has courted controversy of his own

and done so with hundreds of thousands of followers in his flock. I'm talking about Father James

Martin, a Jesuit priest with a massive social media following, and he's taken plenty of heat

from within the Catholic Church for his coming out in support of LGBT issues

and migrant rights. And his outspokenness is all the more remarkable given his high-profile

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