And the Thank you so much for coming on. This is so fun because I experienced what

breath work was like firsthand. I had done a different type of breath work.

Because okay, how many different types of breath work? Oh my gosh. So many. Yeah. So many. I

think I like to think of it like a spectrum, you know, there's the shorter, simpler styles that are a little bit more like guided meditation using your breath and tend to be more ancient practices like Pranooyama or Chigong or Tai Chi and those are practices that are much more present.

You're usually seated and again you could do them for one or two minutes or five minutes or ten minutes but it's a way of being

really present and still in using your breath and people compare that a lot to

meditation it's almost like an active meditation and then in the middle of the

spectrum is what I would consider more of like the biohacking style

breathworks like Wim Hof, what he's famous for, you know,

and all the work that he does in terms of like cold exposure

and just overcoming certain perceived limitations of the body

and just tapping into the breath in order to do that.

And I do think he also is into the emotional and spiritual side of things, but he definitely doesn't talk about it as much as he talks about like human optimization and

Yeah, and human performance and then on the other end of the spectrum are what I consider

to be this category of deeper styles.

And then if you ask how many of those deeper styles are there,

it's honestly most of them boil down to two styles.

It's either holotropic or reburthing and there's a lot...

I've never heard reburthing. Yeah that's the the style that I facilitate conscious breath work

evolved from the reburthing style. Okay. And reburthing was developed in California by Leonard Orr in the late 60s and

holotropic was developed by Stanislav Graf and his partner Christina in the early 70s

and they knew each other so I know that undoubtedly they influenced each

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