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First Things Podcast

Classical Education Keeps Growing

First Things Podcast

First Things

Religion & Spirituality

4.6699 Ratings

🗓️ 17 June 2025

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

In the ​latest installment of the ongoing interview series with contributing editor Mark Bauerlein, Martin Cothran joins in to discuss Memoria Press and Classical Education in America. Subscribe to Mark's new channel on: Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/mufv3xzw Apple Podcasts: https://tinyurl.com/3w32d42x Intro music by Jack Bauerlein.

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0:00.0

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0:02.2

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0:05.7

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0:14.0

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0:18.0

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0:22.2

and insightful thinkers and authors. Martin Cochran joins us.

0:38.0

He is the co-founder.

0:40.0

Actually, they have a classical school in Kentucky.

0:42.6

We're going to talk a little bit about that.

0:45.5

He's the head of Memoria Press, as well, an important provider of materials to classical education schools.

0:51.0

He's the provost of Memorial College, and clearly he's generally one of the movers and shakers in the classical education schools. He's the provost of Memorial College. And clearly, he's generally one of

0:55.5

the movers and shakers in the classical education movement. Welcome, Mr. Cochran. Good to be here,

1:00.5

Mark. Your involvement in classical education goes back actually to the 1990s. That's pretty early.

1:07.4

Yeah, it's very early.

1:08.3

The movement. First of all, what got you into it?

1:12.7

What motivated you to seek it out?

1:14.8

And then tell us what did you do in those years?

1:18.4

Well, I was originally involved in public policy at the state level in Kentucky.

1:24.1

And in 1990, the state legislature passed a piece of legislation that was up to that point,

1:31.5

the most sweeping piece of education reform legislation that had ever been passed by a state.

1:36.4

And it had all of the, you know, the regular stuff in there, you know, the progressivist stuff,

1:41.4

the vocationalist stuff.

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